TheBrownBear

That's too bad. Is it me or are we knocking a lot of guys out?

Pretty sure arguable GOAT status qb = quality starter. So you've got Manning and Brady as clear quality starters, and guys like Rodgers, Brees and Luck as passable stopgap types.

You're right. 39 isn't more than the 27 (10 and 17) that Manuel put up in his last two starts.

Actually, yes. If you wanted to gauge your best opportunity to land a starting position, it makes sense to let preseason play out and see which team has the greatest need at QB. Seems to have worked out well for Orton, no? Starting QB on a relatively talented team in the playoff hunt. lol. exactly. and am i the only one who has noticed how we seem to be scoring TDs now inside of the redzone? I think we're 4 of 5 (and 4 of our last 4) under Orton.

I don't get this post. What? We'd be better off going 4-12 with Manuel and no first rounder? At least with Orton we stay in the hunt and avoid the ugliness of a full-fledged player revolt.

Might be the dumbest thing I've read yet. If he didn't want to play football, why has he started the past two games for the Bills? Did that celebration at the end of the Detroit game look like a guy with no passion that doesn't want to play football? How about when Orton kicked the punt team off the field and converted on that 4th down bomb? Even if he was just in it for the paycheck, why not just pull a Michael Vick and willfully sabotage yourself so that you ensure you'll never see the field again? He wanted out of Dallas because he wanted the opportunity to compete as a starting quarterback in the NFL.

Take out Spiller's return TD and you've got 18 ppg for Manuel. Also consider how many short fields the defense gave Manuel to work with versus what we've seen since Orton has taken over. For instance, 4 of our scoring drives against Miami came from when we started at approximately midfield or better. Against Chicago we had 3 scoring drives from midfield or better, including a 7 yard touchdown "drive." Compare that with Orton who has never once yet started a drive in opponent's territory. And has an average drive start of our own 24 yard line through 2 games.

I guess I'm going against the grain, but I was a huge skeptic when it came to Orton and he's looked pretty darn good to me through two weeks. The two picks were bad but he's been asked/forced to make some pretty ridiculous throws into tight windows. I feel like we can win with him. Even in the playoffs. Clean up the penalties and stick to your assignments on defense yesterday and we might be talking about an exciting win.

Yeah, that really was shameful by Hopkins. Felt bad for Fitz to lose the game that way. Uncanny how he almost always makes the big mistake when the game's on the line. Now that he's gone, I choose to remember him by those great performances against Oakland and New England at the beginning of 2011. Truly Fitzmagic in those games.

(guy who lives in a refrigerator)

lol. i remember when the goos were considered a solid up and coming local punk band. it's amazing how their image and reputation changed over the years. their early stuff is still pretty good to my ears and some of their poppier stuff (up to and including "a boy named goo") isn't bad .

Awesome and strange at the same time. I live in San Diego, so apparently I get the game this weekend, but folks in LA are stuck with GB/Mia

I suppose anything is possible. I'm not sold on the guy, but he's the best we've got for this season.

Who cares? It's just a friggin game! Have fun with it! And enjoy watching the quality play while we have it

Lol. Orton is 31, roughly the same age as guys like Rivers and Rodgers, and a half decade younger than Brady, Brees and Manning. He was out of the NFL for all of 5 weeks. Jackson is old, yes, but that's why you have quality depth like Spiller, Dixon and Brown. And we have a strong group of playmakers at WR. Outside of TE and the interior OL, we are about as complete of an NFL team as you are likely to see in the salary cap era.

The thought of making the playoffs this year with a great roster, built to win right now, and helmed by a good quarterback in the prime of his career makes me absolutely quiver with disgust. Gosh, I feel so dirty even writing that. For our sake, let's hope the team gets crushed this weekend and heads into a tailspin, so we can be bathe ourselves in the purity of our new 2nd round QB of the future next September.

I agree that this is a huge game. It's a game that really scares me, since the Patriots proved this week that they still have the capability to explode on offense, against a very good defense too. This is exactly the type of game that can propel an upstart to greater things or derail a team for the season. Win and I really do like our chances of finishing above .500 and maybe making the playoffs. A close loss wouldn't be the end of the world, but if the Patriots blow our doors off (like they have in the past or like the Jets did at the Ralph in 2011) I can see this season getting ugly. I'm hoping that the veteran presence at QB is the difference between this year and all those past failures.

Wood has sucked this year

Nice throw

Jfc...this oline is getting gaped.

Nice. Let's get it going Kyle. This is far from over.

Willie Totten /thread

Stop making sense!

Yes. We had no chance at the playoffs with Manuel at QB. At least with the changes there's hope for another week or two.

He's a veteran running a simplified offensive scheme. 5 weeks is more than enough time to settle in. I expect he'll prove to be an immediate upgrade from EJ in his very first start.