Bleeding Bills Blue

Misses in the top 5 since 2000 - Vick, Carr, Harrington, Young, Russell, Sanchez, Bradford, RG3, Bortles Remains to be seen - Winston, Goff, Wentz, i guess Mariota but personally i think he looks a lot like Tyrod, Hits - Luck, Newton, Stafford, Ryan, Rivers, Manning, I guess Palmer (didn't really establish himself as the man with his original team though unlike the other 6) If you go past the 5 - the disparity is higher I would say - but the big thing i notice is a lot of reachs. If this truly is a deep QB class it might not be as affected. BUSTS - MANZIEL, BRIDGEWATER, MANUEL, WEEDEN, LOCKER, GABBERT, PONDER, TEBOW, FREEMAN, QUINN, LEINART, CAMPBELL, LOSMAN, LEFTWICH, BOLLER, GROSSMAN, RAMSEY, HITS - FLACCO, CUTLER, TANNEHILL, RODGERS, ROETHLISBERGER Funny note - Tennessee has drafted vince young, jake locker, and now mariota. And i still don't think they've really addressed the position.

He's like a Tannehill to me. Their line was great last year, they were incredibly healthy, and gurley showed that he's really good. 2020 is the big year - its pre-goff's extension but they have a lot of players contracts up. They need to draft players this year and next i think, especially after trading so many picks. Whitworth Brockers talib Sullivan Gurley Peters Zeurlin That's all after paying Donald more than Dareus in 2019. Their window doesn't close in 2020, but they need to draft smart to fill these gaps because you can't extend everybody, and players get old/injured. Seattle didn't draft well and they basically fell off a cliff.

Right? What was his excuse in the Jets game?

It's not the best comparison I agree. But at the same time, there were plenty of QBs in 89-90 who were completing 60% of their passes etc. Favre was drafted based on his potential, and not considered a safe sure-fire guy. I think the only reason Allen is sniffing the top 10 right now is because of how QB-driven everything is now.

I personally think Goff is a lot like Tannehill. So i fully expect a letdown as well.

I mean - Brett Favre played at a small school and didn't put up impressive numbers. I know people will say its a different era, etc. But Allen played on a crappy team. Who knows if he'll be good or not.

I think it truly is a case-by-case type of situation. Is he a team-first guy? Do you truly believe him when he says he'll get help, or that it was an isolated incident? Is he a truthful honest person? What players did we dump that had drug arrests/problems? Just Dareus - and he had plenty of other issues. Kounandjio maybe? But he wasn't even a fit in the zone blocking scheme (neither was anyone else), and that could've been an additional factor. Considering they kept Henderson even through his suspensions, I don't think it's a straight black and white issue.

I dont think it has anything to do with pace really. The timing was there, he just threw it in a path that allowed it to get picked off.

2 of his picks were out routes, where the timing was great but the trajectory was bad and they sat on the routes. Both were basically pick 6's (ramsay fell down or something i can't remember and don't care to watch it)

He was an absolute nightmare when under pressure. He doesn't have great arm strength, but he seems to understand the game. He's deceptively athletic. Gets the ball out on time. Between throwing up ducks when hes under pressure, and smart corners baiting him into throws because he locks onto a target... I don't think he's starting material.

Well we only get like - what 10 minutes to make it happen? Pre-draft trades always look like rip-offs vs. ones that occur during the draft.

fleeced seems like an overstatement. We got 27 a 2017 3rd and a 2018 first. Cleveland got 25 and a 2018 first for pick 12. It only looks better because Houston absolutely bottomed out. Tre White so far has also looked like a better player at 27 than Peppers at 25.

He scouted them, he should get credit - especially for Milano considering he wasn't at the senior bowl. I just think McD wanted to pick people he worked with/got along with the best.

We got our guy anyway. Petermannnnnn! Gotta remember - McDermott looks at it like... the extra 1st next year is talent evaluated by the new GM and scouting staff

McDermott isn't qualified to make an evaluation about whether a Quarterback is the real deal or not. The scouting reports still came from Whaley and his scouts. McDermott targeted seniors, and mostly guys he watched met, and watched practice and play during the senior bowl.

The real question is whether you felt whaley was qualified to make that decision.

If QBs go 1/2/3, i could see it, but if barkley sneaks in it'll change things.

Yeah - I personally think Jackson might end up going higher than people think. Arm talents wonderful and all, but I think you can build a really unique offense around his skillsets.

All i did was say it's not crazy to say. Draft pundits are wrong... a lot. Sometimes people have a lot more disparity on a josh allen/baker mayfield than what the news people say. Also - sometimes people value a top prospect more than adding a 3rd to move down a few picks.

Why is that crazy? NYG need O-line and could trade back, Denver needs help on D, Colts need everything BUT QB, then it goes bucs bears 49ers raiders - none of which need a QB.

He was picked at 24, not 3. They sat him behind Favre, not AJ McCarron.

I don't like a QB that needs 2 years. Some of those projects just never work and you're using a ton of draft capital, as well as burning through all the cheap years on his contract.

Yeah - that wood injury thing kinda stings extra when you look at his bonus money, and the fact that his 2018 salary is guaranteed for injury.

They can still move down if someone falls there though. They could end up with Chubb at 6 instead of 3 (getting the guy they wanted), and added 3 2nd round picks. Or they can move down with someone like Buffalo and net even more stuff. They might have had a better offer as things got closer to the draft, but who knows. Buffalo might pull their trade offer if the guy they want is gone or something.

I mean... he's fitting in alright as a rotational linebacker in a 3-4 defense. He just didn't fit what we needed of him in this defense.