NastyNateSoldiers

So what your telling me is the Bills lost there biggest gm in over a decade to a 2-12 Raiders team ? Well so much for the culture change, things seem the same around One Billls drive.

Are u kidding me, that first pk swung the momentum of the gm in the Raiders direction. The Raiders were ready to pack there bags and head for the beach. If we scored anything on that drive the game would of been over. Like Denny Green used to say, we let em off the hook!

Get it done Whaley.

Orton missed open wrs all day, He missed them short, long every which way. He's a bum, I'd rather start Fitzpatrick or anyone else. I'd even take Cutler over this non athletic QB with no arm. He sucks and yes, yes it was his fault today we lost definitely his fault.

What can I say I love my Bills, lol

I was watching film of Nassib last night a few things stood out to me. #1 He has different release points with his throwing motion but the ball fires out of his hand very quickly. #2 Shows great anticipation when comfortable in the pocket. #3 Arm strength has improved since college, but still lacks a adequate deep ball. #4 He can make all the throws on intermediate and short routes. #5 He plays with confidence. The Bad #6 He needs to work in his pocket presence. Seems like he tries to get out of the pocket to soon doesnt step up or stand tall. #7 deep ball needs work #8 has touch issues at times #9 tends to make bad decisions when being rushed. Overall I watched his gametape from college to the pros and RN has gotten much better. He kind of reminds of Drew Brees. He has his eyes down the field at all times then he works threw his progression to the checkdown. With some more polishing he can be very good.

Refs stuck it to us again today, Where was the international grounding call in that last series. Man the NFL needs to hire full time officials asap.

I am in no way a Nassib guy. The thing is though how do we really know that Marrone didn't want him. It could have been Whaley force feeding Ej on Marrone. The problem was at the time the Bills had Ej, Kolb & Tavaras maybe they didn't want to add another guy to a crowded situation or maybe it was a coddle situation. Adding a guy like Nassib would have put alot of unnecessary attention on Marrone having to answer questions bout the QB situation every time EJ threw a pk. I just don't understand why some people on this board like to assume they know what's going on. The only people that truly know are the coaches and front office people that were in the war room. Now that EJ future isn't looking so bright maybe Marrone asks the front office to make this move. Considering that Nassib knows Hacketts offense like the back of his hand. This could possibly be a sink or swim desperation move by Marrone considering the fact that his ass will be on the chomping block next yr. We've all discussed these QB´s available and one thing is for sure there is no true franchise qbs available. So they could go bk to someone who they had a working relationship with and roll the dice. I guess we will find out soon enough. I am in no way a Nassib guy. The thing is though how do we really know that Marrone didn't want him. It could have been Whaley force feeding Ej on Marrone. The problem was at the time the Bills had Ej, Kolb & Tavaras maybe they didn't want to add another guy to a crowded situation or maybe it was a coddle situation. Adding a guy like Nassib would have put alot of unnecessary attention on Marrone having to answer questions bout the QB situation every time EJ threw a pk. I just don't understand why some people on this board like to assume they know what's going on. The only people that truly know are the coaches and front office people that were in the war room. Now that EJ future isn't looking so bright maybe Marrone asks the front office to make this move. Considering that Nassib knows Hacketts offense like the back of his hand. This could possibly be a sink or swim desperation move by Marrone considering the fact that his ass will be on the chomping block next yr. We've all discussed these QB´s available and one thing is for sure there is no true franchise qbs available. So they could go bk to someone who they had a working relationship with and roll the dice. I guess we will find out soon enough.

I had a dream last night that the Bills made a trade for Ryan Nassib, I'm surprised his name hasn't come up much in these QB discussions. I think there's a possibility of this happening considering the connection with Marrone & Hackett.

Ponder, Yates I mean yikes!!. How bout Matt Moore I'd definitely take him over any of those rejects. I'd even take Matt Moore over Orton. MM is a big strong QB standing at 6-3 230lbs has a nice throwing arm and most of all is a tough minded sob that is not afraid to sling it. MM also has good leadership skills as teammates usually gravitate to him. In 2011, Moore took over a Dolphins team that was 0-7 & won 6 out of 9 to finish the season 6-3 . After that season was over Miami drafted Ryan Tannehill with there new head coach & he was never seen again in the starting lineup. I live in Miami and lots of there fans didn't want to see Tannehill drafted. Even to this day many of there fans call the radio shows and demand Moore gets a chance to lead there team. Now that Moore is gonna be a free agent at 30yrs old he will be looking for a team to go & start. If the Bills can't work out a trade for a better QB or if they trade for someone that's injury prone like Bradford or RG3. I would love to see Matt Moore brought in to bk them up. This move will give us that insurance we need. Even if we can't get another QB let's give this guy a chance. Remember bk in 98 the Bills brought in 2 QB´s Flutie & Johnson. I think it's time we try again 2 new QBs. Let's go Bills!

I completely agree with Kap & Cam, Cutler would be a horrible move but is possible also. The one guy I think would be great but I don't know if it's possible is Philip Rivers. Rivers would be perfect for our team he's well into his 30's with a huge cap figure. It's possible the Chargers start rebuilding and trade him for a couple of firsts before here starts to decline. The question is would we be willing to give the Chargers 2 first round pks?

I love this idea, if we get Bradford I most definitely would like to sign Matt Moore to bk him up. I think Moore would sign here because he would be one Bradford injury away from starting. Moore would be an excellent addition to this team. He has a nice arm and isn't afraid to sling it. He's also a fiery competitor and tough guy. He would complement Bradford perfectly. I would also keep EJ to further develop him as a 3rd string qb with upside. With these additions the Bills will be set for now and possibly the future depending on Ej growth and Bradfords health.

I guess the question is now who do the Bills go after this off-season #1 Ryan Mallett #2 Matt Moore #3 Keep Orton I would prefer Mallett or Moore over Orton any day. I guess if it was up to me I'd take Moore. Moore is a polished veteren with a nice arm. He's also a fiery tough guy with balls. Yea I said it Balls. We haven't had that in a while at the QB position. MM wouldn't cost much either and is still young at 31yrs of age. If we had to sign a guy it would be him. If we can trade I wouldn't mind Foles, RG3 or Bradford if they were available. Please stay away from Jay Cutler he is horrible to costly cap wise and has zero leadership skills.

Jason Smith was the 2nd overall pick in 2010, he never amounted to anything, Jason Peters was an undrafted free agent Te converted to Lt by the Bills and is now a borderline Hof player. There is no exact science to this, basically nothing is guaranteed. To be honest I don't think Kujo has any future in the NFL, hopefully im wrong. Last yr in the sugar bowl gm he had his lunch eaten by Erik Striker a 225lb De. Kujo gave up 3sks in that gm and multiple hurries ever since then I hated him. We should of taken Jace Amaro or the Te from Notre Dame.

If the Dolphins fire Philbin the man u want is OC Bill Lasor, he's an excellent young coach with a vast playbook. Bill Lasor has allot of Chip Kellys philosophy. Look what he's done with mediocre talent. Lamar Miller is flourishing in his system, imagine what Cj can do in a spread system like this.

Forget Cutler with his contract we can sign a big time player & trade fir Foles. So for the Cutler fans would u rather have him or Foles & one of the Thomas bros from Denver or Revis ?

2nd- Draft RB Gurley or Gordon 3rd -TE Nick O´Leary Free Agency Sign TE Jermichael Finley if healthy Sign SS Will Hill Sign 2 Veteran Guards Marcus Cannon & Orlando Franklin Tag Jerry Hughes Last but not least Trade for a QB NICK FOLES OR KAP This is a very logical and realistic off season. Get er done Whaley

Could it the diagrams of the run plays, it seems like there's no separation of our lineman. More teams are running the ball successfully by using more spread looks which we don't employ whatsoever . U don't have to spend lots of money to open holes. Miami is a good example of this they signed two veteran lineman this off-season, Darren Colledge & Samson Satele. Those 2 guys are dime a dozen players and there opening holes in there run gm. Bill Lasor has done a incredible job coaching there offense. Coming up with ways to use the whole field in the run & pass gms. Coaching makes a big difference. The Bills run gm lacks spacing. There formations are all cluttered up near the LOS. I believe if they ran out of some 4wide sets like Philly or Miami the run gm would be a lot better. Last week the Bills finally started running some misdirection plays. It was working well. The problem hear fellas is this offense. No spacing no creativity no style. Just reminds me of 80's football. The Wr´s always seem to be lining up in the same places instead of moving Watkins around getting him away from the #1 cb on the other team. They seem content with making things easier on themselves and with that comes making life easier on the opposition.. Case Closed. The Verdict is guilty of Garbage Coaching on Offense with a Garbage Qb.

I got 2 one for offense & defense. I would love to sign either one. Defense- Revis Island, this signing kills 2 birds with one stone. Revis would make our defense legendary status, Pure shutdown. With Revis & Return of Kiko this D would be scary good. All while hurting the Pats D by stealing there best player. Offense- Julius Thomas, Julius is still very young and would stretch the middle seems and create havoc in the red zone. This signing along with a trade for a QB like Nick Foles would instantly make the Bills offense a 25pt per gm offense. Value free agents I would love to see in a Bills Uni Jermichael Finley- If he's cleared by doctors he can be a steal. Will Hill SS- This guy can hit & cover. Instantly adds another head hunting presence in our secondary.

Officiating is bad across the league, but your wrong in this case. I have 4tvs going at a time on Sundays and I see lots of bad calls. But usually the refs make bad calls on both sides. There's usually a make up call or two when there's bad calls. Just last night in Pats gm. The refs blew s call that led to an interception by the Pats. It was negated for a hit to the head. But the hit was clean. There mistake. 2 plays later they made up for it by calling a bogus PI on Malcom Floyd. The refs made up for there bad call. The Bills gm was completely one sided officiating, the interference on Chandler on 4th & 6, the defender face guarded him and grabed his arm. The head butt play, the fantom calls on the pk returns, late hit on Jackson, The Roby call, The Gilmore interference call, the Anderson Td was short, and to top it all off the pk 6 they tried to give them when the ball clearly hit the floor. These aren't just bad calls there crippling calls that changed the gm. We would need a mathematician to figure out how many pts these calls added up to. So all in all, Refs make mistakes that's true. But when u add all these up it's not mistaken its on purpose. It's way to one sided in a big game.

Yea the game was over early, really really early. The game was over before the game even started .When the refs put on there Broncos jerseys. U can practically see the orange underneath there uniforms...

I agree with some of what you're saying but the question is how and who do we aim higher for? We have no first round pk and free agency is not the answer when it comes to acquiring QB's. I'm not saying Foles is the answer to our long time problem at QB. I see him as in my eyes as top 15-20 QB in the NFL right now. If we can add him in a trade for Ej & 2nd or 3rd rounder that's a steal.This trade in my opinion is not at all giving up the house. What it is though is a definite upgrade over anyone else that will probably be available this coming off-season. That includes Cutler & Eli because those guys salaries are way too high for there production. Cutler has 6yrs and 100mil left on his deal. Foles has 1yr left on his rookie deal which will allow us to be flexible when it comes to free agency. Foles having one yr left on his deal is probably a big reason why Chip Kelly would entertain trading him. Given that Chip inherited Foles might mean he doesn't want to commit to him long term. Who really knows how Chip feels bout Ej maybe he feels like he hasn't been coached up correctly maybe he feels like he can fix him. For the pro Foles guys on this board we need Sanchez to keep playing well. If Sanchez wins a playoff gm or 2 this trade can definitely become available to us. Btw we don't need a top 10 QB right now, we need a guy like Foles that can open the whole field up with his arm. With our top rated Defense and if we add a Te and a couple guards in the off-season. This team will be primed for a playoff run in 2015, Let's go Bills!

The best place for the game to be would have been in Miami, game probably would of sold out or came close to selling out. Considering all the transplant Bills & Jets fans in the area. I know me and bunch of my friends would of went for sure. Plus it would of been cool to see the Bills colors and logo on the stank Fish field.

It's not that hard to figure out, the Bills are in need of a starting QB, I don't see Brady or Peyton walking threw those doors on one Bills drive anytime soon. So the Foles and Cutlers & Bradfords of the world are the possible candidates or even to a lesser degree the Matt Moores or Sanchez. This is what were dealing with as Bills fans for nearly 14yrs. The Bills should of joined in on the suck for Luck sweepstakes. The Bills should of drafted A Rodgers , etc, etc. We heard it all on this site. I'm tired of seeing teams build and rebuild right before our eyes as if we were stuck in mudd. Philly, KC, Det, Cleveland hey might as well say the NFL has passed us by multiple times in some instances while we've been on the road to mediocrity. I feel like we're stuck in a movie like ground hoggs day. Every other yr same sht , we need a QB we need a new coaching staff. Cmon man stop trying to act like this is rocket science it's Football. As Bills we've all been scared by these 14yrs to some degree. So all in all let us begin the recycling of we need this and that. Because that is what we have become. Bills fans!