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Sounds like 2 yrs of transition.

I can imagine this is the exact way Beane would reply. So your gonna say an oft injured Hamler and a journey man in Isabella is gonna all of a sudden become weapons in the NFL? or a career long possession wr in Samuel is all of a sudden going to become a deep threat? I don't know what football your watching . These are definitely not the answers and you will witness that come September and if I'm wrong I'll admit it.

Obviously u can't throw the ball deep on every play but u do need the threat of being able to if it's not covered. As of right now this roster doesn't have that explosive speed threat on the outside. Teams are going to flood the short to intermediate passing lanes and dare us to hit them deep . By the very least the Bills needed to draft a speed wr after they selected Coleman and they failed to do so. It's a smack in the face of Bills fans when Beane mentioned players futures contracts for the reason why they didn't double dip. Tyrell Shavers are FN kidding me!

I think Coleman won the Character game over Leggette and he's 2 yrs younger then him plus he's a menacing blocker . Otherwise Leggette is better all around player in my opinion and has superstar potential.

I heard this comp and would love for Coleman to be anywhere near as good as Marshall. The thing is Marshall was a 4th Rd pk for a reason and that was because of his measurables. With that all being said if Coleman puts up Marshall type numbers he will definitely exceed his draft position.

The problem is really not the player its that this team lacks a bonafide burner on the outside. If we signed Hollywood Brown instead of Samuel this pick would make alot more sense. Right now we're lacking speed on the outside in a big way.

While Andy Reid and Brett Veach talk about Speed in Football Brandon Beane talks Basketball!

I think it's the 2nd worst on paper #1 is the Pats.

Study long study wrong! 😂 Jk Actually I agree with u to an extent there's much more to it then just measurables and stats . Obviously there's scheme fit character fit and other things we don't know about . Do u know who is the NFL version of Debi from Depew ? It's the Cincinnati Bengals I believe they have like 3 scouts only and they always seem to take the players rated highly by the media or the guys that are dropping due to character concerns and let me say the Bengals are damn good at drafting especially recently. Its just funny how that works and they are basically the admiration of all Debi from across the globe! 😂. I'll be honest I'm definitely a Debi from Depew and have been one for nearly 30yrs. 😂

The draft was strong at Wr and although I think this was a rock solid draft this shouldn't be the answer bringing a vet off the streets. Beane dropped the ball not double dipping in this draft at Wr i don't care if we have Hamler or Isabella or whatever else he mentioned in his press conference. Malik Washington was a flat out steal in the late 5th and we didn't take advantage of that Miami got themselves a player there. I was truly hoping the Bills would take the Packers approach to building there Wr core. Going multiple Wrs in a strong draft was definitely the way to go.

Daniel Jeremiah said it best saying it was a rock solid draft and I was actually using the same phrase threw out the draft.

Speed matters no doubt about it but like u said there's different types of speed and speed is just a part of the equation to making a good to great Wr . There's plenty examples of slower Wrs putting up huge numbers because they have other strengths to lean on and there's also the design of offense they play in and the type of QB they have that factor into this. I truly believe Josh plays better with separators. Josh is not the most accurate QB and neither is he a conventional drop back timing anticipation QB either. So the problem to me is if Coleman is the right type of Wr for Josh. Wrs like Coleman play better with accurate QBs like Drew Brees or Brady . Big Ben needed fast smaller separators to play at his best and I believe Josh plays more like Ben then those other QBs I mentioned.

In a strong yr in the draft for Wrs u don't do that.

This draft is a disaster!

Yeah that was sad he was becoming a bonafide player. My point to this topic was players that come into the league picked high in the draft 1st Rd players usually don't pan out when they have to switch positions right away. I was talking about these Hybrid tweener types . Especially outside corners making transition to safety in particular haven't been very successful. Slot corners are usually the players making a successful transition but that's because a slot corner has basically the same responsibility as safeties. If your telling me draft Cooper and play him as a outside corner his natural position that's fine with me but to move him to a new spot as a first Rd pk is too much projection for me and rather take a player later in the draft to make such a move. Players drafted between Rds 4-7 usually make this move more naturally because they have the time to adjust and learn there new position with no pressure of being a 1st Rd pk that needs to showcase his skills right away. In Cooper case some have said he's a good to great Zone corner and if that's the case I still don't want him because zone corners are like running backs in a way u kind them all threw out the draft u hardly see Zone Only corners being drafted high in the draft.

There was a couple recent examples brought by Gunner but for people to need to go back this far is a classic example of why the Bills shouldn't draft Dejean.

No way JJ goes for just a 1 we have seen other players go for more and still get paid big money.

He's a late bloomer but nonetheless a bloomer and the arrow is definitely up on this kid. https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/carolina/gamecocks-xavier-legette-is-overlooked-no-longer/article_4f212004-52fb-11ee-8627-7bf360310517.html

Worthy is as light as a feather I like him but won't trade up for him. I much rather stay put and take the freight train that's Xaxier Leggette 220lbs at 4.37 is serious explosiveness. Leggette was also the fastest tracked player by mileage last yr as he was tracked at over 22 miles per hour. The combo of speed and strength the blocking abilities the after the catch abilities I don't care if he's 23yrs old the man can be a monster in this game. He reminds me of a faster Eric Moulds and like Moulds coming out wasn't the best route runner coming out of college but he can learn that easily because he has the movement skills.

None of these guys were outside corners in college it's easier to make transition to safety from slot corner or from safety to LB . But I'll give u credit they were hybrid types but they played only one position on the NFL level except for Hamilton he plays LB , Safety and Slot .

They really had to go back 24yrs. 😂

That might be his best spot as Zone corner but most people got him moving to Safety as if we didn't him to move him to another position that's something that never hardly works especially for high picks players. I mean we seen Milano make that transaction from Safety to Lber but he's one of few that's done that

Correct me if I'm wrong but these guys never pan out especially when drafted in first 2 rds where pressure is on them to contribute right away. I've seen Corners move to safety as vets and still play on a high level or even mid to late Rd pks like Poyer and Hyde make the transition and become studs but please if anyone here knows of a player that went high in the draft and was able to either move from corner to safety or vis versa and do it at a high level right away. We just recently seen Simmons get drafted high and he was a stud at Clemson and moving to safety derailed his career and he played that postion in college as well as corner and Lber these hybrid tweener types never pan out drafted high the ones that do or the lower Rd pks that get the time and patience from the coaches to make that full transition and if your thinking about flat out using Dejean like in college as a hybrid player on the NFL level that never works as well. So if anyone remembers someone that actually made this transition please add to the chat, thanks. Cooper will not be a good corner in the NFL as well he has tight hips and gets burned by lower level players in the big ten . I realize he's made some splash plays on tape but thats not gonna help him on the NFL level where u see professionals on a daily basis in practice and at 100% on Sundays.

Good job on your post I not I'm gonna say I disagree with the premise of it. Filling needs threw the draft is for loser organizations if your saying those are the best players available at those spots like maybe Fiske would be one is a great idea. But trading and adding picks to fill needs is a horrible mistake because these players are going to be rookies and u can't expect them to fill needs right away . They need to be developed properly and given the time to prove they can play right away. Taking BPA is still not a for sure thing but it's what the best teams do and in 2yrs most those guys would have huge roles on this team and filling holes that would have been if they weren't drafted.

McConkey never had more then 40 catches and 750yds in college u sure u want him? I rather do the same thing your proposing but take a Combo of Xaxier Leggette and Malik Washington. Much better combo in my opinion for same pks