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Cannot believe the lack of respect for Manny Lawson from this board

Yeah, why haven't the BIlls fixed QB, WR2, TE, SS, LB, CB by day four of free agency? Dude, I could totally fill those holes with ease on my fantasy team.

Yeah we've got a disconnect here. I want them to re-sign Byrd long term. My anger was directed at the Bucs for recklessly throwing around cash and driving up the FS market, thinking Byrd is going to want what Goldson got ($22M guaranteed is pretty hefty). I would prefer we didn't pay him that much, but we may have to now. Someone else made the comment to "negotiate with Byrd now" and I thought that would be unlikely. I would assume they would sign all FAs and draft picks first, assess the books, then negotiate a long-term deal with Byrd - which would probably be over the summer ala Freddy Jackson. EDIT: ahh ok I get it now. When Maddog69 said "Plenty of good safeties available at far more reasonable prices" he was implying we jettison Byrd. I thought you meant it was a forgone conclusion that we tagged him for 1 year and he's gone. I was responding to that part, meaning I don't think we let him walk, and will get a long-term deal done this summer. I need a beer now. Last year the cutoff date was July 16, so around that time. Absolutely, I agree.

I don't possibly see how you could compare the two. Golson is a FS and Scott was used as a LB. Even when Scott was playing nickel DB years ago he wasn't in the same league as Goldson. All this tells me is a) don't believe everything you read on Twitter and b) stats not used in proper context (i.e.tackles) are meaningless. Byrd is probably the #1 FS in the entire league, he didn't allow a single TD in coverage last year. I don't think so. I expect them to give him a similar contract probably sometime over the summer (they will wait until all rookies and FAs are signed then open negotiations).

Title should say highest paid FREE safety.

According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, Goldson's deal is worth $41.25 million over 5 years and includes $22 million in guaranteed money. Grrrr you suck Tampa, a gazillion in cap space and they're handing out blank checks. This is not going to help us negotiate with Byrd...

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It doesn't work like that, this isn't a fairy-tale world. There is no way on earth Levitre's agent is going to agree to a deal when he's 1 year away from being the top available UFA at his position and aligned for the biggest payday in his life. Despite what lip service you may have believed from Andy, his intention all along was to test FA.

As I mentioned in your other thread, losing a backup quality QB and a guard does not constitute a "total rebuild." The only lie you were fed was the one told by yourself over and over. There was zero chance of us paying Fitz $10M, sorry you didn't see that but the sour grapes routine is way over the top.

Wow that's impressive, you just criticized the GM for not signing big name players and within 1 sentence criticized the GM for signing big name players.

Just ok? I am thrilled with what happened yesterday. The FO admitted the whole FItz thing was a mistake, and moved on. That alone feels like a 500 pound gorilla off our back. Also we didn't get suckered into paying the 10th-15th best guard in the league $40M.

You did a great job assessing and predicting the outcome of the Fitz scenario this offseason. I don't think any of your football predictions are based in reality. For example: losing a guard and a backup QB does not indicate a team is in "full rebuild mode." Furthermore, I'm starting to question if you are an accredited doctor.

Whoa, whoa, whoa take your rational and logical posting and beat it. We need players NOW or ELSE....

It got glossed over in all the excitement I think.

It sure does, and it would explain Clayton's numbers. LaCanfora has us spending only $136.5, which would put us only $2M over the adjusted cap. Only reasoning I can think of is they broke their own accounting rules to land Mario. It doesn't necessarily indicate a change from our current system. As a matter of fact, LaCanfora lists us spending $136M in cash with almost $10M available in cap room, which pretty much confirms we are still using cash to cap methodology.

It's just the Fitz Fan Club venting off some steam. For some reason a lot of posters thought we were going to pay him $10M this year. I myself have been smiling since 4PM, and I'm about to crack open a beer

Well now you've got me confused what we are arguing. I know last year our cap number was $141M, and we spent $139M so it doesn't lead me to believe we have changed our accounting system. This year our ceiling is $130M, and I bet we settle in around $125M-$127M. Here's an older thread where I tried to break down this years numbers under cash to cap accounting.

Nah it gets added to the cap, read that second article you posted - (numbers are for the upcoming 2013 season) The cap last year was $120M + $21M rollover for a total of $141M. We spent $139M out of $141M. (I have no idea why John Clayton said we were $5M over) Shhhhhhh. We just lost our top 2 whipping boys, Kelsey and Fitz - you can't take away Ralph.

Nah Kelly you are just forgetting about the rollover. Last year before the Mario signing they rolled over a whopping $21M. This year they rolled over something like $9M.

Whaaa? They've used cash-to-cap the last 4+ years. This signing is an excellent illustration of the two different accounting methods. With amortization the cap hit would be $3M, however under our cash to cap accounting, it's going to sting us for $6M this year. Still, an excellent signing.

no, in cash to cap it all counts this year. That is a very reasonable contract.

See, we might have a better LB core than the Super Bowl champs right now!!! Ok, no we don't. I agree with you about Newsome's skill as a GM, but I think he just got the rug pulled from underneath him on this one. The Ravens made a statement last week that signing Ellerbe was their #1 priority, and after the Boldin trade to free up space, it looked like that was a lock to happen.

I didn't say your post did not make sense, I said it was nonsense. This line in particular - "There is simply no way to reconcile our way out of this loss." Really?

OK this one stings. I would have been alright with the Ravens re-signing him, but going to the Fins WTF.....

You know, I always thought Ruben Brown was overrated (I used to roll my eyes at some of his latter Pro-bowl selections), but I still thought he was a top 5 guard. Having said that, Levitre was not in his class. I can name 6-7 better guards than Andy right now off the top of my head, and if I used Google, probably 3-4 more. I'll even go a step further - let's say Levite made the Pro-bowl the last 2 seasons. I still wouldn't give him $8M.