Homey D. Clown

If he's not 100%, I'd rather see him sit out, he knows the game well enough, and he reported to someone that he is dealing with a lot of soreness. That's just not good, and groin injuries are miserable.

I also hate that team very much, and will also give it another sympathy vote.... as much as I hated to see the paytoilets in the superbowl again in 2007, I REALLY wanted them to beat the Gnats JUST so those douchebags would no longer be the only team.

too hard... too much work... it's much easier to sit back and type your disdain on a message board.

On my way in to work this morning, a great topic came up on the local morning sports show, which was the worst superbowl winning team in NFL history, I thought it was an interesting look into some of the teams that won. My first pick was the 2005 Steelers, and really had to think about this one. Who would you pick as the worst?

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1 box of animal crackers > aaron maybin. Anyone who seriously thinks any team should invest a roster spot on that clown is just nuts, and I know a thing or 2 about clowns....

given the fact we might be starting a rookie QB, I'd be really happy with 2-3, not surprised with 1-4, and planning on 0-5. I was dead sure we were going to kill the JEST in last year's opener, and we all know how that game went. The Pats are not vulnerable, they're the Pats, and Baltimore is defending a SB title. Until I see what this team is going to really look like on game day, I don't have a clue how we'll play. I can't wait though, more than ever I'm actually looking forward to seeing some actual progress.

I just heard it confirmed on GR this morning, they actually put up a 10 foot fence, and police will be turning people away who opt to jump the fence.

I'm going to respond to the original point of this thread and I see no reason why the Bills cannot compete for the division, but nobody is going to hand it to them, and more importantly, the teams in our division are not as weak as people think. This team needs to be more prepared, healthier, and more technically sound in order to beat anyone, and there will be times where CJ won't gain a yard, the receivers just aren't getting open, and the defense looks like they are asleep. That's inevitable, this is a new team from top to bottom and it's expecting a lot to think they'll outright win the division. Is it impossible? No, not at all, but to think the rest of our division has gotten weaker is really not the case.

So, if he has an opinion, then he is a troll? You have an opinion on his statement, Using your very own logic, that makes you a troll as well. foolish.

I have decided to make something clear about my view after reading so much of this thread, it doesn't make anyone a troll because they liked what they saw in one player over another, in fact that's just childish to call someone that. I saw an excellent performance in one player, and a shaky one in another. I think Manuel has all the potential in the world to be a great player, and after what I saw in Tuel, I think he also has the potential to be great as well. I am not going into anything blindly about who I think would be the better QB based upon draft position, nor will I even say ione guy will fail, and the other be great after one pre-season game. It's a bunch of crap to blindly think either, or to bash anyone who wants to see the QB race to be fair and open. At this point neither guy is a sure bet, nothing in this league is. Manuel is not a sure thing to be great, nor is it a sure thing he will fail. Tuel is not guaranteed to continue to have solid games, nor is it carved in stone that because he went undrafted that he HAS to be a backup. To bash anyone who wants to see this be a fair fight is plain stupid, I think to ask any Bills fan to believe any hype after the last decade about any player is foolish. I am excited about every new player on this team, they all look explosive, and as I said before, I'd like to see both young QBs get the chance to compete for the starting job, if Manuel is a superior player, let him earn it against the competition, why is that such a horrible thing to do?

Gentlemen, it is more than likely he is retired, he said after his departure that he couldn't go in practice, but the debate on whether or not he was good seems a little harsh in this thread. I think it's fair and respectful to acknowledge he was a very good player for us, despite being on some miserable teams. When he played, he was good, being injury prone doesn't mean he sucked.

Great post, I wish there were more threads like this with solid information, and actual full words to read(i hate text-speak). I'm looking forward to more...

It's been my experience that if you write a well thought out idea that might oppose common opinion around here, you'll get flamed. I agree with you 100% on what you wrote, but people will bash you anyway. I was under the impression that a lucid, well thought out debate topic could be discussed around here, but I was wrong more often than not, so I learned to speak internet-bully sarcasm so i didn't stand out so much, and adopted the phrase: "Homey don't Play 'dat"!!!!

Next what?

Now only if the Patriots took your approach we'd never have had to get our @$$es handed to us for the majority of the last decade+.... This is a legitimate statement being made by the OP, and I can't say it didn't cross my mind either. Until you find out properly, there's no way to know. This isn't a knock on EJ, but Tuel did look far more poised in that first pre-season game, so it's fair to see what he can go against #1s. And I was thoroughly impressed with his ball placement and grasp of the offense.

I was stated pretty early on when he first injured his hamstring that he probably wouldn't play in any games until the opener.

yeah, there has been a rash of people around the NFL playing real life Donkey Kong in the past few years, so the NFL won't allow kegs anymore since they don't own the rights to the game....

Awesome, already set my DVR. I'll be camping this weekend, so I'll get to view the game as if it were live. they broadcast a majority of the pre season games on a delay. Just a few are broadcast live.

I hope the team gets ranked 41 out of a possible 32 because I could care less what preseason rankings are.

Looking back on this thread, it would be easy to say yes Tuel was a factor at the time, but I'd be more willing to say that Jackson's release was due to his limited talent/upside. He has not shown consistency or any real leadership at the position, and has been bounced around the league a bit. That coupled with a new coaching staff wanting to groom their own group of QBs may actually be the real reason. Start completely fresh at the position.

They looked aggressive and more physical than in recent years, but as a whole, I didn't seen them stopping the run very well on the first unit. I am even more concerned with the swiss cheese secondary.

Little league coach for several years, good catch BTW, but I recorded the game and spent more time than I care to admit watching those first few series haha!! I do enjoy the offensive side of the ball on a technical level and have spent(wasted) even more time over the years learning what is happening once the ball is snapped...

Yes, the plays called were multiple receiver read options, with the dumpoff as the safety valve, he gave up on his downfield receivers too soon early on, and I am saying it's not a big deal due to his inexperience and some jitters. On the other hand, they were holding back a lot of the offense's complexities for both QBs as was the defensive coordinator. How I ascertained this confidence was by watching where EJ was trying to look as the play developed, and before his receiver's routes even had time to develop, the ball was out to the checkdown. This is not a knock on EJ, I think he played quite well not even counting the 2 minute drill, and I credit my opinion to how well he seemed to carry himself and move on to the next play with more and more confidence. This was the first ever NFL game for him and I thought it was a good start.

they weren't holding him back in any way, EJ was having a hard time reading past his 1st and second options, but hey, he's a rookie, and seemed to warm up to game speed, he'll be fine.