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Mutombo at least earned it.

Darby >>>> Gilmore

Another phantom spot coming up

This Miles guy and his finger wag is lame.

+1

Been saying that for a while. Slow sideline to sideline and lots of misreads.

This is the end my friend, the end. Time to play to the script...Massive collapse and heartbreaking loss.

That's why I hate Roman. Shows teams the same thing and they shut him down. The is classic Bills territory, chance to driv a nail into the coffin and can't find the hammer.

Charles Clay still on this team?

Penalties are the sign of stupidity

Hate Roman every week. When his game plan works from the first drive he's ok, but when it doesn't he sucks.

Bills 20 Jets 21 Just a bad feeling about this being a close heartbreaker in a must-win game with a guaranteed loss in NE next week. They need to get the win so that in the event they're 5-5 after NE, they have a shot to make a run. They lose and are 4-6, it's over. I just never like this team, based on the past iterations, to get that "over the hump win" which this would be. Win this, on the road against the Jets in prime time and we've maybe started to turn the corner. But just when they seem like it's time to turn the corner, the cut it short and clip it, spin out of control into a raging inferno.

I think the team that will go from dead last to the playoffs before the Bills go to the playoffs from whatever their bottom-out position was. Just sayin. Or the team whose owner bought a floundering tire fire in Orchard Park that hasn't seen the playoffs since its emerging superstar was, what, 3?

I use and they should be illegal until they make all sports books legal. They are no more a game of skill than betting games. Each is pure luck and the only skill that comes into it is for those with the expertise to develop models to reduce variability and therefore slightly increase their odds. Put another way, the likelihood of losing your FanDuel game is based predicting multiple outcomes (players stats), something that has more luck than skill involved. How is predicting the outcome of multiple players more of a skill than predicting the outcome of two teams? If it was pure skill, then FanDuel and DraftKings should publish the winning percentages for all users and those who use sophisticated data models should also publish their winning percentages. Then we'll see, conclusively, that the difference between the two groups is likely minimal, hence the supposedly skill is really non-existent. The reality is, if it's a game of skill, no one has any. The house always wins and you end up with a balance of zero over time. That's the crux of the business model, it's no different than a casino. I actually don't really care. My argument isn't as much against FanDuel as it is the illegality of sports betting. If FanDuel is doing this and trying to argue semantics and legalese, then show us the data, specifically the percentage of users who consistent win, ie have skill. Show us how that differs in a statistically significant manner from sports gambling, which is said to be pure luck. Ultimately, it comes down to the human element, the pro leagues don't want games affected by players engaged in gambling on their own teams and throwing games. A player can do that for themselves if they have a team with 8 other players on it. So the Jerry Jones' (soulless greed) support a legal framework to outlaw that while then investing in a gambling effort to line their pockets based on the collective performance of their employees. It's all a sham, so let's stop the sham and make all gambling legal.

Even with their starting LT, no way Broncos beat the Pats in the playoffs. Sorry, ain't happening as much as your emotional distortion machines want it to. Brady = GOAT and Manning can't hold his jock. And I say this as someone who was a diehard Vols fan during his time there and a Manning > Brady believer for a long time too. But I don't stand on what I want to believe as a Bills fan, I stand on what I know.

The old GOP mantra... attack everything with the threat of job loss. Death, sickness, and environmental degradation before job loss. Awesomely ignorant.

Fixed. Can't have any thinkers in this here US of A, just self-righteous, self-centered, single issue voting conspicuous consumers. Funny, the people who use terms like hippie and granola eater are the same exact people who drape themselves in red, white, and blue and celebrate the founding fathers and patriots because they actually stood up for something. Pathetic. Guess rebellion is only acceptable inside a myopic political space that conforms. Hate the protesters but when pink everything is jammed down the collective throat of the NFL fan every October they just grin and bear it, no one had to guts to say how pathetically transparent the NFL is in trying to act like it gives two sh!ts about breast cancer with it thinly veiled month long attempt to woe female fans under the guise of "Hey, we care." The irony is shocking... one hand we have protesters fighting for an issue that is one of public health and the NFL supporting a public health issue. Ahhh... the dichotomy of capitalism. Support anything that makes money even if it harms people and then support the system (with billions in federal subsidy and support I would add) that helps them when they get ill. At least the granola eating hippie will live long that the average redneck.

Motorhead - One More F*&king Time And so all our years together Weren't worth a !@#$ing dime So go on and find me guilty Just one more !@#$ing time

I’m on board with this suggestion. I don’t have time to run any analysis but the fact that this team has been this good for this long suggests they’re in the discussion. In the Tom Brady era, this team is 177-54. In 14 full seasons, they have 13 double-digit win seasons and average 12 wins a year. This year will make it 14 out of 15. To put it in Bills perspective, our beloved Bills have 13 in their entire history! The Bills best 14-year stretch, 1987-2000, they were 139-84, just a shade under 10 wins per season on average. And just because someone mentioned the Steelers, I looked at their records too. In the 1970s, their glory years, over their best 14 year stretch, they compiled a 137-67 record from 1972-1985. The Steelers had more losses in fewer games than the Pats. To standardize for comparison purposes because of 14-game seasons, the win percentages here are: Pats-79%; Bills-62%; Steelers-67%. The only two teams, I think from a quick review, that are close are the 80s-90s 49ers and the Cowboys in the late 60s and into the 70s. The 49ers actually had a nice 18 year run when they had a winning percentage 74% (207-72) and their best 14 year stretch was 166-56 for a winning percentage of 75%. Both these teams over their best 14 years still had a winning percentage below the Pats. Now everyone wants to now say “See, the 49ers did it for 18 years.” True but I have to responses to that argument. The first, the Pats aren’t done. This is year 15 and they’ll at a minimum keep the wining percentage around 80% (that’s a simple 12-4 record this year, meaning they go 5-4 the rest of the way, not happening). The second is the term “dynasty” implies power and control for a long period of time. Translate that to football and it means winning and winning championships over a long period of time. For these teams, no one had a longer stretch between their first and last Super Bowls. The Pats won it in 2001 (Brady’s first year) and again in 2014, so their first and 14th seasons. The best the was the 49ers who had 12 seasons as a run. An early post stated to go back and look at the dinosaurs like Otto Graham. Great, you can do that and try to compare eras. But that was an era with less teams and players who were drastically less skilled than today’s players. It’s like arguing that the Model T is the best car ever because it had a larger market share in its time than other cars. It doesn’t hold up. These QBs total, all of them, are more physically gifted, in shape, and year round athletes than they were then. The game is way more complicated now than then, on both sides of the ball. Players are faster and the game happens faster. So guys like Brady have to be not just physically gifted but I have always argued intellectually gifted. They have to both process and execute faster and faster. There’s just no comparison that you can make that suggests Otto Graham or anyone of prior eras were better QBs than Brady until you get into the 1980s. Even then, Brady is better than everyone from Montana to Young to Aikman to Manning. He just is. That’s doesn’t sit well with Bills fans (I am one) because he destroys this team annually, but the fact remain indisputable. At 38, he’s better than Kelly was in his prime. Those that want to suggest cheating has something to do with it, I don’t dismiss that out of hand. Many want, no need, that narrative to help them cope. You still want to believe it to help you distance yourself from the reality that is this team, coach, owner, and QB. Gronk is open all the time not because of cheating, as someone wondered early, he’s open because he’s awesome and their scheme is awesome and he gets the ball because their QB is awesome. What matters above all else is execution. What you see week in and week out right now is precise execution. The perception of cheating, or reality, can't overcome what we see. Guys have to block, run, get open, and throw the ball. That still matters right?

Pats Packers Super Bowl. Two best QBs, two teams with multiple championships, an original dynasty and the current dynasty. Seems like a foregone conclusion.

By some. In my world, you don't get to be a spoiled, entitled, whiny brat but all is forgiven because you can run and catch, simple skills a 5 year old possesses you just do better. I root for laundry, so the logo. Once in a while, and this is the key point here, once in a while, root for a guy because I like what he stands for, how he carries himself, and how he treats people. Fred Jackson is a great example. So the same holds true for the opposite personalities, which Watkins appears to be, which is I won't root for him personally, he's unlikable in my book. That's me. If you want to look past all that and buy the athletic prowess, that's your choice. But in reality, we don't get to do that, just see a guy on the field. This guy is jammed down our throats in commercials and in the Bills PR. So we're basically being told, "Hey, this is a good guy, buy what he tells you to buy and root for him." I'm saying no thanks, you're selling me a person I don't like. A guy who cries publicly about catches, has his agent call the organization, and now this is all that is wrong with the entitled, me generation, both in society and for some at the WR position. Put up and shut up. It's also the reason why I laugh when I see adults where the jerseys of 20-somethings. I never wore a jersey when I was a kid and never would now. I don't get that level of emotion.

If they cut players based on missed tackles, they'd have no players. Tackling in tackle football is a lost skill.

Put me down for "it's over." Even with the injury issue, when they come back, still lots of problems, starting with horrible DB play; mediocre QB (yes I said it, he's average); lack of a consistent pass rush; and offensive play calling that is troubling ( still dumbfounded how you call a left roll with the game on the line with a QB who is inaccurate when he's not running and who failed on the same play earlier). I guess some are ok with sneaking into a symbolic playoff spot to get the streak off the teams back but I'd rather not get in just to get crushed on the road. But I don't think we have to worry. The next three, all against the afc east, should have everyone bellying up for turkey and mashed potatoes already thinking about the draft and hoping for a good pick. I can't see how anyone thinks this team can beat NE or NYJ on the road. Best case is they beat the Dolphins and go 1-2 but at 4-6 they're done. I'd put 10 times the money on 0-3 than even 2–1. It's ok to dream but when your eyes are open and you stare reality in the face, it's pretty clear this team is bad despite the talent.

+1 Ludicrous. Yep, EJ sucks.