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+1 Can't say this team "should" beat anyone. This teams ends with 7 to 9 wins and no playoffs.

I agree, it's a non-playoff team. OL is still an issue. The league has figured out that you quick pass against the d, and the QB Tyrod Taylor, a guy 8 months ago no one had heard of. He's average and last I checked, 16th in the league is out of the playoffs.

I have issues with coaching and discipline but one passing D issue I continue to have is the overrated stature of Gilmore. He is wildly inconsistent, one hood week, one bad. He gets a pass by many because his best games stand out but he was generally owned today. The term shutdown should never be used to describe him, he's far from it. Also, teams have realized that quick passes neutralize the d line. Today that worked well when they struggled to stop the run, a double whammy. The offense was hot garbage and outboard. 4th and goallsy call was Pop Warner. Williams isn't fast enough for a play that takes too much time to develop. What happened to the bully? Bullies run it up the middle on fourth and goal. OL is still an issue. Incognito is very good as is miller but the rest are suspect.

You can start your review with that garbage 4th and goal call. Then go from there.

Yep

No playoffs, book it.

It's the nfl, the average iq has to be just above learning disabled. Throw in a lack of emotional intelligence and you have the bills.

Undeniably

Yep, we expect to lose to them. But a 6 point home favorite should show more. They lost twice to super bowl coaches and beat to hack coaches.

Huh? They've sucked on their own since the opening drive.

These announcers saying Rex Ryan won't ne happy with the emotion?? Rex is the leader of it, guy shows no control of his yap so they feed off it.

+1000

Lack of discipline. Rex is to blame. Time to bench Hughes, idiot doesn't get it.

Woods needs to get right out of bounds, more sub-80 football iqs on this team

Left at the two minute warning. Seen this movie before. gotta ask myself why I keep thinking it ends different. Can never, ever, ever, win that game where they'd be legit.

SOBs.... Same Ole Bills. It's called tackle football right?

I didn't read this whole thread but it's basically been my point here for a while, that the expectation that QBs produce immediately and if not, they're garbage, smacks of the American mentality of entitlement and instant gratification. People treat the QB position like short term stock trading rather than long term investing. What makes it problematic is that day traders buy low and seek to sell high, owners buy high and sell low (cut). That's a fool's investment. I think there are a few key things here (I'll admit that I could never wrap my head around the EJ sucks after 14 starts mindset). The first is, obviously, teams way over draft QBs, which distorts expectations by fans and owners. Second, the over drafting is a symptom of low supply of NFL ready QBs and high demand. Third, and I think this was written about somewhere recently and Whaley was interviewed, is that QBs on college aren't running NFL offenses as much as in the past. And that probably won't change. Some say, well the NFL has to change. Not really, the reality is that the running and read option QB thing works in college because the QBs are often physically talented enough and the players on defense are not all NFL talents, creating a system whereby the pure athleticism wins out. That won't translate to the NFL because, as we've seen with tons of these types of high athletic ability QBs, NFL defenses are talented, basically college All-Star teams. If you take Robert Griffin (using him because of his meteoric collapse) when he was in college and he had to play every week against the defensive backfield of CBS's All-SEC team, which that year was CB Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Morris Claiborne, CB/S Tyrann Mathieu, and S Mark Barron, how would he have done, even if he had the best talent around him? Probably not as well as he did So why would anyone expect him to produce at the same level immediately and consistently in the NFL? Griffin had 22% of his touchdown passes that year against Stephen F. Austin (3) and Rice (5). Yeah he has some good games against ranked teams but again, the jump in competition doesn't bode well for lots of guys, not just RGIII. The norm in the future, absent a lot of QB talent, should be teams being clear with drafted QBs and fans that the player is going to sit and learn for a year or two behind a journeyman like Fitz.

Why do they NEED to c\lose the gap? The value of the team is relative to their market size, which helps most teams to utilize the stadiums which they control for non-NFL events they can profit from. As Forbes states in its story, "The bigger your domain, the greater the opportunity to cash in on the fantasy and reality of the NFL." Also, winning seems to matter, for those that care. The Colts, are a top 10 revenue team in a small market despite not hosting many non-NFL events (like would happen with a new Bills stadium)... why? They win. Been in the playoffs 16 of 20 years. Same with Green Bay. Win, the seats and suites fill, money rolls in. I guess I don't care about rankings like some do. Somehow, people equate the ranking with some personal valuation. The reality is, the Pegulas are diversifying their domain without the need to diversify revenue streams just for the Bills. That's the beauty of what they're doing. Guys like Skeletor Jones pours all their money into the team and stadium. Pegulas have taken a different and smarter approach. They own tow teams, they built a hotel/bar/rink complex on the edge of a public park at the end of a rail line. They're are into beer now. They sell OneBuffalo merch. They aren't done downtown from what recent stories said. Sure, a new stadium may help, but does incurring millions in debt in a small declining market return the same annually as not owning a stadium that the county keeps improving? Everyone here speculates on what a new stadium means because they want to extrapolate the Cowboys and Patriot model out, which assumes continually regional growth in terms of per capita income, population, and corporate headquarters that will buy higher priced tickets.... none of which are happening. Take a look at regional data. Economies aren't created by building new buildings subsidized on the backs of taxpayers. So someone, sometime provide a rational model of how this purported new stadium improves the profit for the owner, including the assumption about ticket, suite prices, and expected new streams of revenues? I suspect from talking my friends with seasons, many of us would opt out of a new stadium downtown because a) tickets would jump substantially, b) tailgating would decrease or disappear and/or they wouldn't want to sit inside a domed stadium. So in a region with stagnating population and economic growth, they aren't going to just add to the existing season ticket and suite holder base, they will actually need to replace a good number of them before they can increase these numbers. And many will say "Great, higher paying customers will get the riff-raff out." Surely, and then you'll have a Sabres game full of corporate ticket owners and wealthy fans more interested in being seen than attending a game. And that crowd the players and fans love turns into a Miami crowd. And anyone who has gone to a game there knows what I'm talking about. To me, the most sense if a new stadium is built is to do it like Pittsburgh did. Keep it on the small side and do it as cheaply as possible. Make it soccer-ready too and as the MLS grows, the Pegulas have a stadium to buy themselves a soccer team (fingers crossed!).

Was at the gate by 12:25, in by 12:30, at my seat with 16 minutes on the countdown clock. If you expect, like it seems a lot do, to show up at 12:45 and have a quick entry you're a fool. In fact, I'd argue since the improvements the gates moves waaaay faster.

Define local? 60 miles from the stadium and with the Bills home region isn't local? It probably came down to available capacity to brew the beer in large amounts and quality/consistency of the brewer. Big Ditch probably couldn't pull it off as they work to get their business going and probably lack capacity. Resurgence same thing and their beer is the least consistent and lowest quality locally (they hide their brewing inexperience with goofy beers that hide flaws and inability to brew by the book styles or the overhop to do it as well). Flying Bison is FX Matt and they probably lack capacity, don't need the business. So who then??? Hamburg and community are tiny, more onebuffalo will sell at one game than either could probably produce unless they stopped brewing their own. How one complains when the team owner brews a beer locally and supports local business is unbelievable.

Putting Gilmore on Gronk would exactly result in them beating us with Edelman and Amendola. Put a rookie db on Edelman and he'll get eaten alive. Sorry but nothing I saw from Brady last night leads me to believe he's tailing off. He's quick with making decision and knowing where he's going with the ball.

Said it here earlier when the season ticket frenzy was in full force that it was artificial and not driven by fans but by speculators, scalpers. Yes some fair weather fans got in but I'd get more than 10,000 of the new seasons are scalpers. Same with McCartney tickets, they'll go down as time passes.

"jointly funded" and "independent of both" is an impossibility. That's why we have courts.

Yeah, I mean for $135 you can stay on 19th on the west side, mere blocks from a recent murder. That'd be awesome.

Cossack is one of the best legal minds around. He basically said the CBA gave Goodell leeway with punishment, Berman just said, basically, that's not fair. Regardless of the process, the bungling, and whatever else the NFL may have done, it appears all was within the CBA's language. So this ruling appears to suggest that this and many other collectively bargained agreements that allow punishment to be meted out by management, even when there is no guidelines for the punishment are unfair and the power granted isn't fair. Seems like a major win for those with CBAs in any industry. We'll see what the appeal says.