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Is Edmunds even aloud to drink beer yet?

If we’re going to present “general recovery” let’s present “general production” for 35 year old pass rushers. Then present “general production” for 35 year old pass rushers with one bad knee. Then do it again for two of them. There is no “right on schedule” for this situation. Something like 2/3 of all NFL players are out of the league in 3 years after a single ACL injury. Let alone 2. Father time is undefeated.

I don't think anybody has said "good riddance" this thread seems to be a lot of well wishes. There is this assumption among Bills fans that you have to have some Chase/Higgins combo on the outside and that everybody else is a dud. Davis was a good piece to have on the outside. The Bills got tremendous value from him. He never cost us more than $2.8M and some seasons as little as $800k. He way outplayed his draft position and his contract. We will not be able to replace Gabe's run blocking and route running for close to the same that we paid him here in Buffalo. We saw the Patriots and now KC have tons of consistent success having a go to inside WR and a TE and a bunch of role playing pass catchers. I suspect this is the route the Bills are trying to go with Kincaid, DIggs, and Shakir/Cook. Would I pay Gabe $13M to be a role player in this offense? No. But he is a good player and in a world where there are 3 or 4 $30M cap hits for WR's $13M isn't the wide receiver it used to be.

This. I am fairly certain he gets more guaranteed. I would not be shocked if they added a year as well. More guaranteed money, another year on the job, less money per year.

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/von-miller/4782 11/24/2022 - Knee ACL Tear Grade 3 Today's date - 3/11/2024.

How else will the OP collect meaningless internet points?

All the talk of a looming Allen restructure. Curious of two other options: 1. I think it is possible an extension makes more sense here. Part of the reason KC is in the situation they are is because they kicked the can down the road to 2031. 2. If possible they may not want to restructure this years number if they don't have to because next years is $56M. A restructure this year would significantly impact that. Restructure this year or not I think Allen gets an extension in the next 365 days.

That was literally 473 days ago from today. LOL.

I Weren't McGovern and Douglas already done? I don't see any way that Diggs is restructured. I don't know why that keeps being said...by anybody. At one point Greg had Diggs in his "guaranteed to restructure" column. Either way I would assume we get a wave of Bills news today.

Curious what the terms of this looks like? Shooting from the hip I am curious if they basically added a year or two, kept the same total value but increased his guarantees? That would mean that Knox would ultimately have more security and guaranteed money even if it means less year to year? Unsure though. Just guessing.

Thanks for the correction. Scratch everything I just said because the public money is only $850M not a billion.

I don't love the public money but I could behind it with more public benefit/protections. There are two things that I am pretty heavy on: 1. Any stadium built with public funds should prohibit the owner from collecting PSL fees. You can either collect PSL or collect public subsidy. You cannot collect both. 2. Any municipality whose money has gone to build the stadium should have open access to viewing the NFL games inside. If you live in NYC, Albany, or Utica you shouldn't have to pay or NFL Sunday ticket or 12 different streaming providers. Granted this was a bit easier to work around in the pre-streaming era. But I still believe it. $1B is an insane amount of public subsidy to turn around and charge PSL's. If owners want to charge it or restrict viewership access then they can pay for their stadiums themselves.

Millenials definitely know who Gene Wilder is. They’re in their mid 30’s to mid-40’s. They aren’t kids and haven’t been for a long time. For whatever reason whenever somebody ages out of knowing how to use technology every young person in the world going forward is whatever the young generation was at that time.

I feel bad for the fans. But also KC isn't a place that doesn't have winter. It doesn't get the snow of Buffalo or the cold of Minnesota or Green Bay, but they have winter. The average winter coat and gloves these days are rated for temps that would have been considered pretty high end gear in the 80's and 90's. With weather apps and access to better gear it is bonkers to me that that many people got frostbite.

Under both contracts the Bills save cap space by cutting Von at camp. But now he costs the team far less cash out of pocket even if he plays lights out. If Von still looks stiff like last year he can still be cut to save the cap space/roll over. But keeping him on the roster becomes easier to swallow which is beneficial to all parties. I think part of this is Von betting on himself. But part of it is also to incentivize the team to keep him on the roster. 12 sacks at $27M is bad. 12 sacks at $15M is better. Even if the Bills move on next year (which I think is likely), hitting the market after over performing vs. underperforming makes a world of difference.

And that is really bad value at his previous $25M cap number. You don’t pay premier pass rusher money for 10 sacks. But it’s good value for $8M.

Greg gets some things right. But he gets a lot wrong especially regarding the cap. Cover 1 started as great. They’re less great now. Just my opinion on them. I think the reason a player is willing to take an incentive laden deal in this situation is because if they don’t his career likely ends. Unless Von has 15+ sacks this year his time here is done at season end. And maybe his career overall is done. You can’t keep a guy who vastly underperforms his cost. And nobody wants to sign a guy who underperforms. But take a haircut with the possibility to win it back based on performance? If Von gets 8.5 sacks this year at $8M people are having the conversation “He just needed a year to get right” and even if he doesn’t stick around here he is a guy who performed at a level commensurate with his pay. Good credit and bad credit matter.

I think the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. Von was way too costly against the cap to cut. But I do think it was possibly said “hey man, if you underperform on $25M I gotta move on from you next offseason. It is what it is. We think this is your value now. If you reach it you can be a Bill for a while. Otherwise you’re a goner next year. If you renegotiate I’m happy to get you back to $25M in incentives commensurate with that pay/performance” Also there was some rumor that Von’s original deal was voidable if charged with domestic assault. Google doesn’t tell me that case has gone away yet. This new deal might get Von some more money if something comes of it. But that’s total conjecture.

Am I missing something? You think Von will get a bonus for 4 tackles? Bonuses are generally based on a total performance not necessarily related to the prior year. I would be shocked if Von triggered additional pay on his 4th tackle. That silly.

It seems that the term “restructure” is getting thrown out a lot for things that don’t typically fall under the use. Very curious of the implications for cutting Von. Not just next year, but even as early as this year post June 1.

Yeah, that is what I thought. I am being super pedantic, but I wish it was reported as "added a void year" rather than "restructure". I get it. It is a restructure....but also it kind of isn't.

I saw that. I wasn't sure if that -$16M number was with or without Tre. He is in red but I still have the option to move on from him in the roster editor. I cam here to ask and it has been answered. Thanks!

It does not "cost" us anything. Moving on from Von after this season nets us $8.45M in cap space. Having Von on the roster in 2025 COSTS us $23.8M in cap space. Removing Von from the roster in 2025 SAVES us $8.45M in cap space. When it comes to moving on from players the net is much more important than the dead cap number.

Yeah. What a bummer. I love Tre. I’ll certainly be pouring one out for him later. Great dude, great teammate, great CB.

I’m a bit shocked at this one. I thought releasing Bates meant Morse was a lock. I am no guru if feels like Bates to center and keeping McGovern at guard may have been the better option over signing Edward’s.