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I don't understand what you are saying. Cook has not been a good pass blocker since college. Him not being out there on critical passing downs is because teams tend to send more pressure so we need a RB on the field who is adept at picking up the blitz. I fully understand why Cook is trying to get paid. I support him in his efforts. I also don't think the Bills should pay him $15M per. I think he is an $8-10M RB, but knowing that the market likes to "reset" I can feel comfortably stretching to $12M. WTF do you mean that $15M isn't Saquon Barkley money? Barkley signed a 3 year/$37M contract. $15M is more than Barkley gets paid, which is the entire point. I have no idea WTF you are talking about in regards to Von. His contract was a risk at his age that turned terrible with his second ACL injury. His initial restructure was stupid and didn't allow us to get out of it. This team would love to get out from under that deal. Piling on overvalued contracts with $3M here and $4M there is exactly how teams accidentally sink themselves. Once you pay the QB being efficient with your drafting an spending becomes paramount.

Cook not being able to be on the field in critical situations is a problem. He wasn't on the field at the end of the KC game for the exact reason @Doc Brown lays out. I am a huge Cook fan. I would like him re-signed. But $15M makes me uncomfortable. In general I hate that "the next man up" resets the market every year. When in reality no QB should be making more than the Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, or Lamar tier. To @Doc Brown point, for the same reasons I don't love paying Cook Barkley money when his game is a tier below. Yeah, I was just trying to find guys that were awesome pieces but not "The Guy". Maybe not the greatest example. Right, KC would get roasted. I was just talking from a Bills-centric position. If I were Beane my starting point would be prohibitively high that is a no. Even if there were some bizarro world where the Chiefs offered a 2nd I would still turn that down.

KC wasn't really relevant to they extent that they are now so I do think things are different. The fact that the KC pick turned into Mahomes is unfortunate. I would go as far as to say that without Allen a year later that it would be unforgivable. Picking up a QB that turned out to be Mahomes equal is the only saving grace. I lose zero sleep over the Worthy trade, albeit I winced a bit. But ultimately it is a couple of spots and I am not wowed by Worthy. I think flipping a couple picks around in the draft is a lot different than trading starting players that can have immediate impacts at a really high level is something totally different. If we are going to compare the Mahomes/Allen rivalry to Brady/Manning then you have to think that Wes Welker* to Indy or Reggie Wayne to NE was more or less off the table. This is that. *Welker signed in Denver as a FA

I will take a 6th round from the Jets before I send Cook to the Chiefs. This one is a bit less about Cooks value as it is Cooks value playing for KC against Buffalo. I would probably not taking anything less than 2 first round picks and even then that might not be enough. This is nothing like swapping a couple spots in the draft.

It was strange that we didn't see him much down the stretch. He average like 65% of snaps on the season. Didn't play vs. Denver. 40% vs Baltimore. 6% vs KC. I know he injured his elbow and knee. But scrolling through the injury reports it looks like he missed maybe 2-3 days of practice all year long. Otherwise he was listed as a full participant. He also dressed for all 17 games.

Schobel only had double digit sacks 4 of 9 years and only once did he do it back to back. He was nice player on some not very great teams. Good dude, good teammate, I think his career seems a bit elevated because he was one of a few bright spots often rooting for a few players to succeed because the there wasn't much of a team to root for.

Mario Williams was a better football player, pass rusher, and Buffalo Bill than Aaron Schobel could have dreamed of being. And that isn't even throwing any shade at Schobel, he was a good pass rusher. But even with "longevity" isn't even close. If the question was, after Bruce what pass rusher belongs on the Bills Ring of Honor/Wall of Fame, then sure it is Aaron Schobel.

It is insane to me that we have these guys walk out like 15 yards with chain link and then act like we definitively know that the football is is 1.5 inches short. They might as well have had refs lay their face on the ground next to the football and with one eye closed look across the field.

Not just squeeze in comfortably. They’re multimillion dollar finely tuned machines expected to perform at the highest level. Saying NFL players complaining about travel is crazy is like putting 87 octane in your Ferrari and then telling the driver “do you know how many people drive a used Prius and/or rely on public transit”.

A lot of this has to do with ownership. Which I find both concerning and frustrating given the state of affairs just down route 5.

Who are you sending it to?

I am all for the Bills drafting another RB from Oklahoma State.

I am looking at their markets. Shakir is a great piece for us and can play just about every WR position. He is getting less than half than Justin Jeffersons total contract value. James Cook is looking to be the highest paid RB in the NFL. While he is a quality RB, I think he is in the second tier behind Henry and Barkley. Cook as the highest paid RB is bad value. If I am Beane I tell Cook the can work on getting close to that number but he has to spend the offseason becoming a 3 down back. This is a bad DB draft. This will likely have to be solved in FA.

He played 3 more games than half the league. Do it again, but for the regular season. Worthy is a nice piece. I’m not sure he makes the Bills any better or worse than they are today.

You said "He would look really good next to Garret". Which is what I was responding to. So $16M plus his midround, plus Garrett's picks, plus Garrett's likely new deal that carries a much heavier cap number.

Especially with the Shakir extension, plus Knox and Kincaid being in the fold for the next few years, there won't be a lot of opportunity to play inside regularly. As an aside, I thought Knox had a very well rounded year in his limited snaps (compared to other years). I would like to see him possibly get the starting role back . Knox and Kincaid were fairly even in snap count. I mean to say use him a bit more in the passing game.

I actually thought a little bit the opposite. The timing, speed, ease, and price tag of this deal was a direct shot across the bow at Cook. Cook aside, great contract for the Bills.

He would cost us a pick plus $16M. Garrets number is low right now, but a quick glance at Spotrac and they don't have a lot of wiggle room for cap relief. As much as MG at $4.5M could yield a kings ransom, I don't think Cleveland can afford to trade him without a new contract in place. All that to say that is a lot of draft capital and cap space on just two players when the Bills have a lot of holes to fill (giggity giggity).

Or Amari Cooper for that matter. “But Josh Allen isn’t the MVP” -the internet

This. I am pro Garret. Just not in the "Go get him at any price" crowd. We desperately need help at outside wide receiver, outside corner, free safety, defensive tackle, and yes edge rusher. I think the first four positions can make up for not having Garret, but I don't think Garret covers the other four positions by himself. Then on top of that I would like to keep Bernard, Shakir, and Benford (likely in that order or close to it). So now in addition to drafting the above Garret is likely pulling from guys we would like to re-sign. That is a long way of saying, let me see the actual cost before I pull the trigger.

Aaron Rodgers is a jerk. Jim Kelly is (was) a grade a piece of crap. Notorious locally for abusing women. Jordan is the GOAT basketball player and nowhere near the GOAT human. I am not sure what you’re arguing here. But the only, and I mean ONLY person responsible for us having this conversation as to whether or not Richie Incognito is a POS is Richie Incognito. So much defense of a guy who has done so much bad. Sheesh. Unsure if you’re serious, or if this is an Eric Wood burner, or I don’t know; but it’s weird. But Incognitos bad behavior and mental state is fairly well documented. He stinks, I wouldn’t allow him or anybody similar into my home, or to a wedding, or to work on my team, or to do basically anything else other than pass protect and run block. Not to exactly a resounding endorsement of a human. But hey, Eric Wood likes him, so that’s a feather in somebody’s cap I guess….

This is bonkers. His actions? His words? His intent? He is literally saying somebody else is responsible for all of this, when all we are debating here is the things he literally said and did. It might be one thing if he went the Michael Vick route. Opened up a facility to rehabilitate those with TBI's or mental illness. If he spent a bunch of time working within communities dominated by POC. But he doesn't. He is whining that somebody else is responsible for the world finding out about the stuff he did. And frankly, shame on Eric Wood for cosigning it. The only thing I find more frustrating in all of this than Incognito passing on the blame is other people doing the same. I just can't wrap my head around reading the 144 pages of the Wells report and all his arrests and going "Oh yeah that Richie Incognito, real good dude without any malice, Jonathan Martin ruined that mans reputation". It just feels so gaslighting.

Cut the guy some slack, it's not like he's Einst.....never mind. As you were.

Antonio Brown is mentally ill and is a bad person. Kanye West is mentally ill and is a bad person. Richie Incognito who calls black people the n-word, Asian people the c-word, throws weights at people, threatens to shoot people. This feels like splitting hairs. On Incognitos best day he is a dangerous humanbeing. And for me, if you are dangerous you cannot be good. The fact that after all the evidence was released about Incognito,(the text messages, the voicemails, the first hand accounts)that after 12 years he (and Eric Wood) thinks that somebody else ruined his reputation doesn't give me any faith that he (Incognito) is some sort of reformed individual. It is actually an insane premise. Incognito ruined Incognito. The fact that he not only said all those terrible things, but also thinks somebody else is to blame for all the terrible things he said, means he stinks as a human.

No we don’t have to just “acknowledge” that some people talk that way. lol. The guys calls people Chinamen, *****, and a stinky Pakistani. All mentally ill people aren’t bad or dangerous people. But Richie Incognito is. I didn’t realize that there was anybody out there debating this. Ha.