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If we are going to roll the dice on a player fully recovering from injury. I want it to be a guy like Cordy. Drafted by us, played at a very high level, franchise LT. I am willing to eat the cap space, and possibly look for his replacement. The draft pick is nice, but we are creating holes, that need to be filled with that draft pick or FA. Pay Cordy another year or so. Move Dawkins to RT, Cordy to LT, and we are in a better spot. If it does not pan out, we are in a slightly worse position/the same place we are now with Dawkins at LT and still a need to overhaul the right side of the line. I mean what is the real value here. Trading Cordy for a rookie RG? Depth at LB or DT? If I trade my "starting" left tackle, even if there is some concern about longevity, I am still rolling the dice with status of my franchise. I need more than a draft pick that will be used on depth/a guy that might be out of the league in 3 years. I need a guy that will be with my franchise for the next 3-5 years as a starter. Not super star, but starter.

I generally do not disagree. And while I may get a bad feeling about my first scenario above if Tom decides to play. I don’t think the second scenario is just either. To me this situation is more akin to mental health decisions. Where in NYS you cannot home somebody who is mentally ill long term against their will. However if they are deemed mentally unfit in a way to where they are a danger to themselves, you can absolutely mandate a temporary stay in the hospital for a few days. In this case, on game day, Savage is not deemed fit enough to make decisions that would not endanger himself. If he wants to play next week, while I disagree, I would accept the fact that he made the decision himself in a much healthier place.

He shouldn't be given the decision. He was just knocked unconscious literally moments prior, it is no time for anybody to be making any critical decisions. You're acting like this happened yesterday, and somebody on Thursday is like: "Hey Tom, you were knocked unconscious last week, and you started trembling, you might not remember, that is common with concussions. Your body is physically capable of competing in a football game, but you could/will face very serious and dangerous medical repercussions for the rest of your life if you do, such as killing yourself, your family, and not being able to ever sleep through the night again do to head aches. Do you assume the risk?" What happened was: "Hey Tom, you got your bell rung pretty good there. We think you're good. You good to go?" "put me in coach"

I think that was either 2nd half or 4th quarter.

I would also say TT might be good to go if they were at Lucas Oil Stadium. But in those conditions, even if his knee was 95%, there is a good chance he trashes it for the rest of the season. An Aside: I hear a lot of guys talk about playing sub maximal, which happens in the NFL a lot, and that is fine too. But the difference between 95% and 100% is the difference between an elite athlete and JAG basically. Take the mens 1500m at the Olympics. The difference between winning the heat and not advancing is 0.67% difference in performance. 5% is the difference between a gold medalist, and some dude from some irrelevant nation/Olympic region. Margins in elite athletics are razor thin.

I see stuff like this, the incident, not your post, and am just left wondering how we continue to overlook this issue in regards to acceptable medical practice and ethics, because the doctor followed NFL procedure. Just ignoring the fact that they never would have done this in their daily practice. The consensus in peer reviewed studies is that a standard concussion evaluation takes no less than 10 minutes. If a player was cleared, that means he was evaluated. If he was evaluated, then there was suspicion. I just do not understand the turn-around time in events like this and Russ Wilson.

I guess I am saying that while he followed NFL procedure, that does not mean he was following standard medical practice, which are two different things. I am also implying that I do not think that there was a "real" neuro assessment done because anything I read (I know internet is not always true) from neurologists say that during the convulsion he was also unconscious.

Not to sound snarky. What am I wrong about and why? How is what happened hear not negligence? How did the diagnoses not lead to putting Savage (the patient) at risk of further harm? I am asking genuinely.

Because if he were at his medical practice, taking care of you or I, he would be sued for malpractice. There is no way in hell that a medical professional would not face legal repercussions for that decision. It was medical malpractice regardless of NFL procedures.

Healthy on Sunday, is different than healthy enough to be allowed to watch film and practice. They are different conversations. If Peterman is healthy enough to go through team meetings and full practice, it is a toss up. If not, TT regardless of Sunday health, with Peterman dressed.

KC can win that game and we are still fine per the playoff machine. What is interesting. If we lose to the Phins in week 17, and the Raiders beat the Chargers, the Raiders are in. They would have to beat out a flawed Dallas team, Philly without their starter, then division rivals to do that. This! There are a ton of different options. More like a choose your own ending book. There are no nail in the coffin games next week.

Thought! (My head hurts) What if they moved preseason to this as a precursor to eventually going that direction. I agree, the helmet especially is currently a weapon not a protector. Curious what the data on brain injury suggests from the leather days.

Not to beat a dead horse.... But.... We could be talking about just replacing Kyle next season and having a very solid DL. Hughes, Day 2 Draft Pick, Marcell, Lawson. While Lawson isn’t an animal or a huge pass rusher. He is a good 2 down DE and sets the edge well. Then find a situational pass rusher that’s not Lorax in the 3rd possibly, or FA. We’d be fine. Now our line looks like: RE- 30 year old-pass rusher-above average. DT- Draft/FA DT- Draft/FA LE- A good starter if we have other pieces, but we don’t.

We don’t disagree on the dirtiness of the play. Fine, the last Steelers game was close. But what about the 20 other times Vontaze acted like a total POS. But Christ man. Nobody has taken out Dalton because of Burfict. Nobody has taken out his knees or ended his career. This is the crazy stuff you are suggesting, in a way you would carry yourself in that situation. These guys are professionals. This is not how successful professionals act in the world. Your approach is generally pretty cancerous, to well, everything. You seem like a guy who still brags about playing in the Monseneur Martin Championship game back in ‘82. Do you get pumped every time Canisius beats Saint Joe’s in football?

Nobody took a swing or went after JuJu after he laid out and taunted Burfict. Nobody went and took out his knees like many are claiming here. You just want to see dudes beat each other up. That is fine, but at least own up to that rather than thinly veil it as some ultimate act of integrity and decency. I have to agree with another poster on this. This is not hockey.

I hope they push his appeal until the Monday after week 17, no way the league drops it, and he misses a playoff game.

I don't know what you are talking about, this isn't on topic with the OP and my comments on the OP.

While I don't disagree, you do have to take into consideration that a lot of these are self inflicted losses and holes. Do they get credit for being better for limping through with self-inflicted wounds?

I think this is fallacy. At least when healthy. Our starting WR's are KB, Matthews, Zay Jones. It is a decent group, plus Shady and Clay don't hurt. Granted the best ability is availability, but not near the bottom of the league when everybody dresses.

I just assumed he dropped the N-word. Not allowed on the field anymore. He really was not all that close to ref, and wasn't around terribly long. And I don't think something like "kick him the eff out for that **** !@#$" is enough for 15 yards.

Everybody always talks about Gronk being a Neanderthal, not slobbering, putting together sentences, etc. Every time I hear this dude talk, I think he looks absolutely strung out on something. Dude has the craziest look in his eyes.

Agreed on this. I think it’s why we increased size at the WR position. If healthy, it’s not a bad group. Lots of size and huge catch radius. Should be perfect for a dude who is regularly inaccurate.

They also deliver Amazon orders on Sundays. TIL USPS > Buffalo Bills

It is already being toyed with. Joe Webb in the wild cat and just barely missing Cadet on his only pass in god knows how long.

Ugh...my fault. I removed the TT game like Kirby did accidently. Correct.