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I don't think people comprehend the competitive advantage the Patriots receive from the things they've already been caught doing. For example, Deflategate was about reducing their fumbles, not throwing the football. From Slate: https://slate.com/culture/2015/01/stats-show-the-new-england-patriots-became-nearly-fumble-proof-after-a-2006-rule-change-pushed-by-tom-brady.html Think of the competitive advantage of videotaping sideline signals vs. using your eyes and memory. The competitive advantage of Brady's helmet radio remaining on right up until the snap, and perhaps during the play. What about having a former military intelligence genius with a photographic memory given carte blanche (Ernie Adams). It's BAD what's been going on. That's just the stuff we know. Belichick doesn't do things for no reason. For example, the pick plays, they must have an exceptional advantage long-term for him to be using them out in the open. My main point is, instead of fans looking for more ways the Patriots are cheating, they should comprehend the magnitude of the competitive advantage from the cheating already discovered. If fans don't realize that, then they won't appreciate anything new that is discovered. In my opinion, and not even speaking as a Bills fan, the entire record of all games the Patriots have played since 2001 should be thrown out. My other theory is that the reason all of their winning began as soon as Brady stepped in for Bledsoe, is that Brady showed himself to be willing to bend the rules to win, thus winning Belichick's confidence.

How much would it cost to resign Phillips and Shaq? $16M per year? $20M+ the first year with guaranteed money? We have the most cap space in the league. Allen is on a rookie contract for a few more years. We draft well. I would call to see what they want and if there is mutual interest from Donald. No need for knee-jerk rejections.

After sleeping on it, this was a game of little advantages. Our D needed to be a little better, our O a little better, the refs a little better, etc. There were many things that led to a loss and changing just one of them might have changed the outcome. This appears to be the final step of overtaking the Patriots. Beating them or at least matching up with them on the little things.

My initial thoughts is that a high-end DE is a luxury this offseason. Needs are WR1, CB2, OT, G OLB, DE in that order. My opinion could change.

God help us all.

I'm actually sometimes amazed with the accuracy Allen shows on some throws. That's why I raise an eyebrow to these guys. If they were to say "yes, sometimes Allen makes amazingly accurate throws, but I feel like it's not consistent enough to get to the next level", then I would be all ears. But to keep saying he is an "inaccurate QB". They're either not watching or ignoring the good stuff (for personal agenda).

Right? My favorite is "sure, he can make extraordinary plays no other QB in the last 25 years could make, but can he make the simple plays? The jury is still out. I'm not sure." As if Allen didn't just fix dozens of little things last offseason. As if he doesn't improve week by week. As if he didn't just play 4 of the toughest defenses in the league 4 games in a row coming off 2 breakout performances. Why not "Not only can he make the most amazing plays ever, all he needs to do is work on those little things that every QB in the league has managed to learn how to do. I'm so excited about his potential!" Like what is the difference? What makes them doubt so hard despite all evidence to the contrary? Remember when everyone cried about his turnovers as if that was some permanent problem. How many times can you possibly be wrong and still stand by your opinions? The human mind is incredible in it's ability to put on blinders.

I hear you, but I believe they might hate them more than fans do. They play them twice a year and lose both times and then watch them raise trophies at the end of the year. They see their cheating up close, needing to always be on guard in the hotel room, during walkthroughs, etc. Even worse, they need to go out there in the cold and get hit and watch the refs side with the Pats game after game, year after year. Watch Brady get what he wants, and then get treated like a hero before, during, and after the game. I'm willing to bet if you had a drink with someone like Jerry Hughes, he'll let you know how much these games mean to them.

I disagree with some of the posters here who believe this was practically a meaningless game. Maybe in terms of standings and probabilities. But in terms of intangibles, something I weigh 100x more than stats (unpopular opinion today but whatever), this was practically the AFC championship game for what it mean to the players, coaches, organization, fans, and city. It's a dragon that must be slayed to begin a difficult healing process. That graphic at the beginning of the game that compared the two team's successes since 2001 is all you need to know. It's very painful. The Golden Era doesn't truly begin until we beat them in an important game. Yesterday was our chance, and we came up short.....again. The moral victories don't have the impact they used to. We needed to beat them yesterday. So unless we play them and beat them in the playoffs this year, we carry this pain onto next year.

It's the stain of the NFL that's been going on since the beginning. I'm glad fans are beginning to wake up, but this stuff gets worse the more important the games become. I agree that this game wasn't 100% decided by refs, but just like Vegas, if you give the house the advantage, they're going to win most games. Magnus Carlson isn't the best chess player in the world because he checkmates everyone in 10 moves, it's because he constantly gains small advantages over the course of the game. A few timely penalties is all that is needed to give a solid team like the Pats an advantage, along with whatever other shady stuff they do. Some obvious (Edelman's pick), some not (spying on play calls, messing with the road team's headsets or tablets, showing the field goal posts on the Jumbotron during a field goal, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) It's not just rigged, but it's rigged smart. Plausible deniability. That's your concept of the day folks. Google it.

It sounds good in theory, but Jones had this intangible negative effect on the passing game. Somehow, someway, he just seemed to repel the ball. Something would always happen when the ball came his way that would lead to an incompletion. Sometimes his fault, sometimes not, but he was just one of those unlucky people. From some rumors I heard, he was the same way off the field (beyond the famous hotel incident). Getting involved in situations no NFL player should be getting involved in. He was good riddance. We need players that bring fortunate events, not unfortunate events.

I agree that some fans get worked up. But fans also don't really have a choice. It's Schopp or the crap on Kiss 98.5. There are plenty of people that like him or don't mind him. Those are the people I don't get.

Coming back early from a torn ACL to almost lead the Eagles to a Super Bowl win. That's immortal in my book. Anything but a loser. Far worse people in the HOF IMO.

I thought about deleting my post because it was so harsh, but then I figured it was karma. Irvin goes on the radio and says beautiful, beautiful and truthful things about our team. Better than anything Schopp has said in years of being on the radio. And then "fans" jump in with pretty much "nothing Irvin says the rest of his life matters, because he used to be a c*kehead". Like....what? What is this bizarro world I'm in? So I figure they deserve some negativity their way.

I agree with you. I think the concept is above his head. I've been reading him in some other threads. Low-information poster. It's condescending, but it's the truth.

Man, the thing that gets me about Schopp is his tone of voice. Such jadedness and condescension. People used to blame the sports teams for Schopp's attitude, but now that the Bills are winning he still has it. I mean you're talking to a great, championship-winning WR. Issues or not, this man has experience and wisdom that few people have. You can be sophomoric about it and claim that only idiots can learn from Irvin, but I'd argue the idiots are those that have that opinion. I swear some of the people here would've told Bobby Fischer to shut up about his chess opinions because he went kooky later in life. What's Schopp really about? Because he's not about winning, at least not to me. Is it because they're not winning the way he wants them to win? Would he be happier if they did things the way he prefers and finished 8-8? I'm seriously asking. Maybe I'm wrong, but he seems to be about proving that he's smarter than everybody. Was this a defense mechanism many fans took on to deal with the drought? Follow the advanced stats unicorn. So why do so many Bills fans like him? Are they attracted to the negativity? Do they vibe with his smarter-than-thou attitude? Is that a sign of the times? I just hope that as the fan's wounds heal from so much losing, they'll start being repelled by the Schopp's of the world. Because I'll be honest, I think his sports opinions are vanilla hipster.

To answer this question, you need to think like a cheat. In what ways can you gain an edge on special teams, within the rules or not? For example, "how can I reduce my fumbles"? By deflating the ball slightly so that my RB's grip is stronger, yet it is not noticeable by refs or the other team. "How can I know what defense the other team is going to play"? By looking at their sideline gestures and play calls. "I'm missing too much information by watching them in person, how can I dive deeper into their play calls"? By videotaping them, then rewatching over and over again to spot new details. This is just the tip of the iceberg, obviously. But you are now entering the Twilight Zone of what the Patriots Dynasty REALLY is.

Saturday is the last time that Brady will ever be in the same tier as our QB.

So proud of this team.

You want the narrative on Josh to change? It won't be from winning games. It'll only happen when someone like Bill Cowher goes on TV during prime time and says he thinks Josh Allen is the Truth and he is officially accurate now. Only then, will people change their minds. In fact, Allen haters will become Allen fans over night. The advanced stats will suddenly show how accurate Allen is! Such is the way the world REALLY works.

Imagine the confidence going into the Playoffs on a 3 game win streak. You would rather go into the playoffs with another NE loss with a potential Pats matchup looming in the semi-final? What would that do the team's psyche?

Deleted Frontline documentary from 1983. Savitch the reporter was found dead in a ditch months later. Documentary not aired until leaked many years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Savitch Besides, MR WEO, this post isn't for you. It's for the open-minded ones who can't figure out what's going on and how these cheaters keep skating by and all the other owners stand by quiet. The answer has been out in the open for 35 years. If you want to hear it. You think it's all cleaned up now?

Vegas. Referees. Fixes. Things get ugly if you want to know the truth. Watch the Frontline documentary.

Imagine the competitive advantage in filming the sideline/substitutions versus using your eyes. Rewind, play forward, rewind, play forward...."Oh wait, I didn't notice that before"...rewind, play forward.....

This runs WAYYYY deeper than most can comprehend. Why aren't the owners going public right now? Because of "the shield"? These owners combined are worth way more than "the shield". Because the truth is that there is more going on than just the Patriots cheating.