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rumor is Kyle Orton took the team to Big Tree for dranks instead of practice today

They blocked them But for real, football is any given Sunday....some players have bad games, some good ones...some game plans work, some don't....it's such a mix and match of things happening during the game that can influence the outcome The bottom line is - we have to execute in order to win, every guy on the field has to execute Last Sunday, most of our guys were executing....for most of the game (yes watt was an animal and yes we had a few WR drops early), but our QB was not executing on his throws, thus, we lost....this Sunday if we have a repeat performance but our QB makes those accurate throws, we will be in the game

Someone should teach those poor kids how to fish For real though, I'd spare some prayers for them if they played football for the bills

some didnt get 30 starts because regime change = new QB I agree sometimes we know way sooner than 30 games if a guy is definitely going to be THE GUY but I Think you definitely need more time to know if a guy ISNT the guy...as for EJ...im officially in EJ purgatory where im not ready to give up on him because its puts us back to where we were two years ago, still searching for the answer, but he has looked real poopy the past two weeks, especially against Houston (i dont know if ive ever seen a worse QB performance from an accuracy standpoint

well then you and every GM who has ever lived disagree about measuring QB progress - as the industry standard is 30 starts before you know what you truly have in your QB...

yes, every GM is always perfect on every decision they have made as for guard, please see previous posts in the thread...who was available in the guard free agency market that would have helped us? Im honestly asking this because I cannot recall...he attempted to help the position with Chris Williams (who has been injured/not played well) and drafted Richardson (too early to tell if he is a fix) - but I agree this is a huge issue, but every team has issues TE Depth, also agree on - theres nothing behind Chandler bc Gragg has not seemed to figure it out As for his "missing on the most important position in the game" - im not QUITE ready to classify EJ as a miss - its certainly trending that way, he looks like he cannot complete even the most routine passes - but thats the nature of the NFL - you HAVE TO draft and develop your franchise QB, which takes time and most often results in failure, but you have to try or you will never have one What Whaley has done is drastically improve the talent, top to bottom on the roster - trading Hughes for a schmuck, adding great D-line depth that have all contributed, revamped the LB corp and developed whats there, adding Corey Graham, replacing Byrd (quite adequately BTW), remade the WRs from a bunch of "walk ons" to a group that I think oozes talent and potential, solidified the T spots for years to come, added depth to RBs and brought in players who shine on special teams...its truly a fantastic job, but haters gonna hate see above as for his "whiff" on the QB spot - isnt 100 percent whiff, but looks like it, and you HAVE to try As far as "doubling down" - I have nothing to say if you disagree about Watkins, kids a dynamic playmaker who will help the team (regardless of who is at QB) for years to come, a game changer... EJs "growing pains" as I called them, I admitted after seeing sundays stinker - maybe I was wrong about his previous bad throws/games being growing pains, and maybe he just flat out cannot accurately throw a football with any consistency....but were gonna most likely get the rest of the season to find out...

He was the best option on the team at the time...and we did/are bringing him along slowly....and up until this week I would have said what we have been seeing is growing pains - but yesterday was outright terrible passing As to your point about a dynamic TE over WR - that would be a nice thing to have, but that has no merit here because there was not a TE to fit that description in the draft, nor are there ever TEs like that in the draft - getting playmakers for your QB is always a good idea, and Sammy is a playmaker People need to understand franchise QBs don't grow on trees and when you THINK have one, you give them a long leash and hope they develop....but again, my point was that Whaley has done nothing but improve this team since he got here and I'm in full support of him, regardless on if EJ fails or not

Absolutely Russ Brandon can keep his job too - he does well in his business role

So you admit you didn't watch the game yet you make statements about the team you don't watch? Sounds legit I love some of our "fans"

Whaley is highly regarded around the league - if Pegula comes in and dumps Whaley it will be an extremely dumb move and further set this franchise back I hope Pegs isn't that stupid

Your first part is all related to Whaleys assessment of EJ - which I already stipulated might be a big blunder of his (if it turns out to truly be a blunder). When trying to establish a rookie QB as a franchise guy, you don't go bring in other QBs to take the job from him - you bring him along and let him develop into the guy you HOPE he is going to be....so his handling of EJ is a moot point right now And yes I said the guard position on this team sucks a fatty - they did try by bringing in Chris Williams - what were the other options? We're there other great FA guards? I honestly don't recall what more we could have done in the circumstances....but this is the one huge area that needs addressing Other than that - you cannot seriously argue that Whaley has been anything but awesome as a GM. Koudndijo may yet turn out to be a solid pro, we won't know that yet. Hitting on a 7th round pick already is pretty awesome. Preston Brown looks like a gamer. Yes he traded up for Watkins but if you think that was stupid then I can't argue with you on that - he got a playmaker that is rare in the NFL (again, getting weapons for a guy you are HOPING is the franchise QB, and even if he's not, any QB needs playmakers and Watkins already looks special). And when he was buddy's "top assistant" - they also had solid drafts and remade a roster that was pure and total **** before they got here Bottom line is: if you think Whaley needs to go, your not really "football smart"

I don't think seeing the field has been a huge issue - sure he has missed reads on where the open guys are - but more than that, he has seen the open guy and thrown the ball no where F'ing near them...that's not fixed by sitting on the bench and listening It may not even be fixable So if we bench EJ, he's not the QB in waiting/training, that's us admitting that he is NOT the franchise QB we hoped he is and bye bye EJ

I really don't get the Whaley hate - sure he may have missed on EJ, because he was most certainly involved in drafting him (if he did actually miss on EJ - I'm up in the air on it, but EJ has looked terrible, but I can't bring myself to write him off yet - maybe it's homerism), but he has finally assembled an NFL roster with depth and talent at ALMOST every position, a roster that should be a playoff team - yes there are weaknesses (guard and TE) but every sports franchise has weaknesses on their roster Whaley has transformed this team from a small and weak roster to a team full of real football players - fire him??? How about extend him for a few years to make sure we don't let him get sucked away by some other smart franchise

"youuuuu have potential"

The flashes are the improvements - and we're only through three games, not even a quarter of the way through a season - any QB needs 30 starts before you can judge...do some take less time? For sure.... So to your point, where is the measured improvement? It's hard to say because it's so early...taking care of the football? You don't know that he isn't making the correct reads (marrone and Hackett claim that he is). He is apparently going through his progressions and in the San Diego game, many times WRs didn't read the coverage and sit in the zone, so EJ "took too long" because the WRs weren't doing what they were supposed to. Does he make some putrid throws due to poor mechanics? He sure does. He also has thrown some perfect passes. I am not absolving of him his terrible performance Sunday and some other bad moments in weeks 1 and 2...simply saying, he is still a work I'm progress and we won't know for some time if he's the guy or not....

Coming through with a high quality post at 3 am!!! Nice work night owl Couldn't agree more with that assessment of EJ - we will see by the seasons end if EJ is developing the stuff to be a franchise guy....we won't know FOR SURE, but we will have a much clearer understanding if he's trending towards that or bust.... For this week - let's see how he responds (and more importantly the entire team) after a brutal performance

I promised myself I would avoid this place this week for those very reasons mrags But here I am Thanks for the post brother - keep on keepin on

Very true, great point So the question is, how does EJ react and recover from a very bad outing?? Does he learn or crumble?

im terrified of how bad Freeney is going to be abused and manhandled by The Mountain

I actually dont think theres that much of a difference between thinking the NFL is rigged and there being gov't conspiracies behind 9/11 and sandy hook....everyone who believes all those things are nut bags who wear tin foil hats in their houses

do you think sandy hook was a government set up as well? perhaps it was the CIA who ordered those planes into the twin towers?

glad I got ya riled up there section! theres no place in the world for coors light drinkers!!! and I could not agree more about that Labatt Blue Light Royale - the fact that its 6 percent is out of this world! I enjoy that beer immensely and is a great option at bars if the price is comparable to regular blue/blue light

He was saying, I think, good job realizing that this is a run first team and Sammy is doing all that without being in a pass happy offense....and just imagine, if EJ connected on those two passes to Sammy their stats would both be even better, and the one 50 yarder to Sammy was a perfect pass but the DB (grimes) made a hell of a defensive play on it

Why shouldn't a beer drinker be elitist with what he drinks and enjoys? Why would I go to the store and buy cheap swill that tastes like water when I could spend a few extra dollars and get something of high quality that will tickle my taste buds during the entire drinking experience? And now a joke: what do drinking a coors light and having sex in a canoe have in common? They are both f***ing way too close to water....

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