OldTimer1960

28 isn’t that appealing either if the sole aim is WR. Assuming that the smoke around Mitchell as not taking coaching well is true, they won’t take him. They can find a good complementary WR there, but probably not a guy who is the “go to”. I don’t understand the apparent interest in Troy Franklin, but at least he is a deep threat. I am a little leery of Legette, but I think I would prefer him over Franklin.

I know this opinion is unpopular and for sure I could be wrong, but I think pass rush will be a big problem. I don’t expect much from Von Miller - he could prove this wrong but he didn’t look like a pass rush threat last year and he is what 35? I like Epenesa and he has shown some promise the past 2 years, but he seems best as a rotational player. The top (only?) backup at CB is Kaiir Elam whom the coaches have shown no confidence in. There really isn’t any depth at S, either and we’ll have to see what the starters look like. Finally, they need a 3T to backup Oliver. I just see a lot of needs on D, that’s the main reason that I am not in favor of trading next year’s picks in a big move up for a WR this year. Maybe they will be competitive, but I think there are going to be some struggles this year. But I think next year with a full complement of picks plus an extra 2nd and at least modest cap room, I think they are primed to be in good shape for 25.

Man, I think you’re right about Kinchens and I am not crazy about that. His Combine was really poor (by NFL standards) with 4.65 40 and 35” vert. Supposedly he ran 4.57 with 35” vertical at his pro day. I know that there is more to playing S than pure athletic ability, but he was flat awful at the Combine.

I guess what I was trying to say is they have needs at WR, DE, DT, CB, S and they aren’t going to be able to fills those all this draft (discounting the idea that 5th, 6th and 7th round picks are likely to be real answers). Given that hand, I agree that 1 WR is a must. Especially since I don’t think they will find a decent DE prospect at 60, I would be open to BPA at any of those positions- even if that meant a 2nd WR. I’m not saying that they must take a WR at 60, but I would be open to it if there was a surprise player available.

I’m flexible at 60 - if they don’t like the WR pick another position. My point is - accept a bit of step back and get good players. I’m not forcing WR in any round this year.

Ok - you could be right. I just look and see zero depth at safety and iffy starters there. I see only Elam who has shown very little as depth at corner. I think anything they get from Miller at DE is a bonus and, while I like Epenesa, I don’t think he and Rousseau form a particularly potent pass rush pair. There really is no depth behind Oliver either. I see a good pass rusher as a big need. A corner to start in case Benford or Douglas get hurt as a big need - and that guy will likely have to start next year as Douglas ages out. I guess they can live with Rapp and Edwards, but I don’t think they are ideal. Fixes to those problems aren’t all coming in this draft. Now, if the offense adds a couple of dynamic receivers, maybe they can out score everyone, but I don’t think that is the way to a championship. I certainly hope you’re right.

I don’t think anyone believes that the Bills are all set at WR. To me, they need 2, but that won’t solve all of their problems by itself. So, I feel a modest down year coming. Get at least 1 receiver, maybe 2 if they are BPA in 1st and 2nd, but don’t expect that will solve the problems of being paper thin on defense this year. The thing I want to avoid is trading next year’s early picks. They are set up well to get competitive again next year - don’t give those picks away.

You could be right, but I think his 165lbs will be a concern for many teams in the first. I do think he will go in the early-mid 2nd

I think we may be seeing everything through or lens of “wr or bust”. While possible, I think Miami will go another position first, unless Waddle is due a big payday. They will need to pay Tua next year or find another QB.

He might not have physically practiced directly with the team, but I believe he could watch and then work separately. He said that he really learned and worked hard on improving. There is no guarantee that he will be good enough, but I think he has put in the work. I’m not sure that he isn’t as good a prospect as Keon Coleman- both have size and lack desired top end speed and sharp cutting ability. I would not count on Shorter as an answer as the starter, but it’s possible he shows out.

I agree, but while his upside could be pretty high, he (Walker) has quite a way to go to get there.

You’re argument makes a lot of sense, but they might really regret spending that pick on him. I just can’t get over his inability to get open consistently.

Walker has great size and speed, but the Senior Bowl showed that he isn’t able to compete well with the big boys - maybe he can improve.

I think we could say that KC just won the SB without a true #1. What exactly make a WR a Wr1? Is it the receiver that gets the most targets? Does he have to play the boundary? Can he be a “move” receiver who sometimes is out wide? Can he play predominantly in the slot? I get the idea that you want a receiver whom defenses have to pay extra attention to to free up other receivers and that WR1 is the “go to” guy.

Just playing devils advocate- I don’t think Miami and its prolific offense have that big boundary receiver. I’m not saying that the Bills shouldn’t try to find one, but I think there are successful offenses that don’t have that.

Gunner: you should do a pod cast! Your analysis is great and you clearly know what you’re talking about.

If that’s true, I would expect them to stay from Mitchell. However, I am old enough to remember Dan Marino free falling in the draft due to rumors that he used cocaine regularly - and that was untrue.

I believe that Beane made the moves that he did because he saw that that roster had peaked and was fading and to fix the cap. The Diggs trade may not have been planned, but rather forced by team dynamics. Anyway, I think that Beane knows that this roster isn’t championship quality this year. He will do what he can to put a good team on the field, but as I see it, the Bills’ D is paper thin and would need a miraculously injury free season to have any shot this year. I don’t think even the acquisition of Harrison Jr would change that and giving away next year’s 1st and 2nd at significant discount in trade this year would rob them of the picks they need to fix the defense. I just don’t see any big trade giving away early picks next year as a good option. About the most I would consider would be a trade of one of next year’s 2nd round picks - and I don’t like that idea very much, but it would at least leave them with a full hand of picks for 2025.

This would be a really good player at pick 28 - probably a considerably better prospect than the wr they are considering

That’s true, but just grabbing the 4th QB does not necessarily solve the problem. They need to be sure that McCarthy or Penix or Nix are any better than Jones plus if they grab a rookie QB they still don’t have any receivers - maybe could get one in 2nd.

Agree - and I would add don’t trade 2025 picks at a discount this year. There will be holes in this team, this is not the year to “go all in” and trade future picks.

I think the answer is that you can’t expect to fill all of those needs in this draft. Just get good players at important positions.

I agree with you. One of the linked posts said late first/early 2nd. It was Garafolo’s post.

Of course that has no bearing on whether he will be or not.

Kneeland is a late first/early 2nd guy?