OldTimer1960

It’s the price to get that seems prohibitive. I can’t name one WR in the league already that I would trade 2 1st round picks plus more to get - it’s not like MHJ would be the final piece of the puzzle here. There are a lot of holes in this roster that need filling in the next 2 drafts.

Especially since we only have two picks before day 3. Neither should be a RB.

I think this team is much further away from championship contender than 1 WR. The Chargers are not that different than Bills roster wise right now. If they get one of the top 3 WR do they instantly vault into SB contention? It is going to take a good draft this year and next year to replenish the team with young talent. I’m for moving around the draft with modest trades to get guys they really like, but I’m not keen on giving up next year’s picks at a discount for one player. Just my view- does not mean that I am right.

I think 2025 3rd would be discounted to value of a 4th this year.

Curtis Samuel ran 4.31 at the combine, so they do have some top end speed. I can’t get past 165lbs for Worthy - just too small for the first for me.

Well, that was insightful.

I am still not interested in parting with next year’s first or 2nd round picks. Maybe trade next year’s 3rd and one of our fourths to get a 3rd this year.

FWIW, I hope it isn’t Coleman. I’d be happy Legette and could settle for Baker or Polk if they are at 60 or later.

That is still going to miss out on the top 3 WR. Is Brian Thomas Jr worth 2 1sts? They will be gambling that he develops into a complete prospect instead of just a deep threat. It isn’t an unreasonable gamble as you can see his movement skills, but that is a steep price, in my opinion. Do you think they might trade up and take a DE like Latu?

No

I still don’t like the idea of giving up next year’s 1st in a trade up this year, but it is a little more possible with them now having 2 2nds next year.

That’s hopefully right. Could be a real rough year in 24, though I am on board with the move.

What did you expect to get for a 30 year old diva who had a down 2nd half of last season?

A 2025 2nd will be worth a 3rd this year. Not moving them up much by trading that.

I agree, but I don’t think I’d be excited about a G or C in the first. I’d sooner the C if it is Powers-Johnson. I’m still not understanding why you don’t think a good CB could have a big impact near or long term. Douglas is 30, Benford looks a little promising and Elam is at best unproven. A real top CB (like they hoped Elam was) that can play tough man and also be good in zone would help a lot, in my opinion.

I don’t think that next year’s first is worth more than this year’s 2nd in a trade. Teams generally discount a pick next year by a round when used in trade for picks this year.

Just playing devil’s advocate - couldn’t same be said for WR? They have “found” starters without spending big $ in FA or high draft picks - and the offense has been very good. To be clear, both WR and the secondary have been more “it’s fine” than “hey, this is a strength”. I am for Wr in round 1, provided that there is not a much higher rated player at another premium position including DE, DT, OT and CB. I actually would be excited to trade down and get either a late 3rd or early 4th. No WR that has any likelihood of being available is a “can’t pass up” guy. I could align with Mitchell, Legette or McConkey with some reservations on each. In my view, if Verse, Latu, Murphy or Newton are there, I’d be very tempted. I could also really understand if they took Chop Robinson. That’s the challenge. If you take WR in the first, you could probably get an equivalent talent 10 picks later, though maybe not an X. BUT, if you pass on WR at 28 or after small trade down, you could be down to the 4th tier in WR by 60.

Why would that be dumb? Premium position, some 1st round prospects, need likely next year. I really don’t understand the fear of CB in the first round- and we hear it every year at draft time. It is a passing dominated league, somebody needs to cover receivers- hopefully well. I am not arguing that they should take a CB in the first, but if they do it would not be like taking a RB or S or LB in the first- those positions have somewhat lesser value based on how the league pays them.

Either late 3rd or early 4th would be OK in my opinion. There are usually some guys that are available at the top of the 4th that seem to stand above the others remaining. Of course, still better to have the late 3rd…

I don’t know. Polk is a tough dude and pretty solid-floor guy, but his upside seems pretty minimal to me. Walker is pretty raw and has his share of problems, but he has all kinds of athletic ability and size - if he improves he could be really good.

Would be pretty good. I’m a little worried about Fiske being a little undersized- especially his arm length, but he is an exciting prospect.

I think that expectation is too high. They might find a good starting WR - and that’s fine. If you’re expecting superstar, uncoverable WR, I think you’ll be disappointed.

Legette won’t make it to 60 and Coleman could be pretty good or end up unable to get open at all. Walker has all sorts of athletic tools, but is a gamble that he can develop. I think if you get past mid-2nd you might not find a WR worth taking.

If the Bills believe he can be a good starting CB in the league, I could see it. I used to feel differently, but I would be reluctant to spend a first on him if they see him as a S.

I guess I don’t have any big favorites - at least that are likely to be available at 28 and would be fits for the Bills. I really like watching McConkey’s route running, but I don’t think the Bills will take him. I would also like Latu, but he is unlikely to be available. Of the WRs that have a reasonable chance to be there, I guess I would go Mitchell, but I’m not super crazy about that. On the flip-side, I would be a little disappointed if they took Troy Franklin at 28 - if they took him somewhere in the 2nd I would Be more happy with it. They need D, but I don’t have any big favorites besides Latu and maybe Verse. Just get the best players they can with their picks. Samuel ran a faster 40 than Franklin and Shakir was in the same range. They have some speed. More speed with size is needed.