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In my opinion- he did not

The flip side— 1) we did not go all in on this year, so youth has some added value 2) we got lucky that shady didn’t miss time as the drop off would’ve been even more substantial 3) did the vikes succeed by relying on a single explosive player or incredible depth? im not arguing it as an obvious choice- just saying it’s probably more debatable than some think

Pick 31 and opening a bunch of cap space and getting young? Let’s say it was last offseason — and maybe not even a first rounder. Would we be better off with shady and Tolbert or something like the Vikings backfield that has depth to handle losing their #1? Say a rookie like cook/Kamara/hunt paired with Murray and another mid tier back? There are arguments to be made.

I think his point was that he shouldn’t have stretched it to 20 i think his point ignores the nature of human beings having a conversation and how you sometimes throw out reasonable estimates instead of getting super firm in your details.

Saw two that are essentially impossible but in the way outside the box curveball category that can be fun board fodder — if you are the saints are you better off signing cousins than brees? Would the pats consider cousins if they win and brady surprises everyone with his retirement?

Also, I amend my leroi nomination to barbarian Imo

Im sure it’ll be fine enough... but Stevie, fitz, or a bunch of other guys would likely be funnier material Fred’s somewhere between a roast of chris Kelsey and... I don’t even know someone else in that era more vanilla for basing a comedy routine on. Lindell? im sure it’ll still be generally enjoyable though.

Leroi. Imo

I’m definitely not losing sleep over it- just thought the OP was getting a harder time than deserved... in part because people missed his point. Which wasn’t totally off base. Seems you may be more intense on this than anyone here.

There will definitely be some material but it’s probably fair to say he’s not the prime guy for riffing on with topics widely known by fans. Doing his Incredible Hulk move after household chores? Most guys are just easier. Fitz would get beard jokes, ring jokes, Harvard jokes, sabotaging every starting qb jokes, weak arm jokes, jokes about recorded phone calls, and so on... freds less funny as a public figure. Nothing to defend there. Relatively quiet, hard worker, that wasn’t that quirky publicly- no shame in any of that.

I think he gets that it’s in fun but doesn’t see any good angles for quality jokes... It’ll likely be a mixed bag. You can slide some amusing ones comparing him to all the backs that were supposed to replace him... maybe his steakhouse... at this point drought jokes are funny

Only thing I’ll push back on is the fact that I remember A LOT of tuel lovers here. Backup qb is the most popular guy situation... but otherwise totally agree

He joins the ranks of all time great running backs and terrible people he’s the type of on field talent you’ll one day tell your kids about watching though. Just a freak talent

I think thats a key thing- a late round guy isn’t getting tossed on the trash heap, but instead has to climb his way out of the heap. If you are a day 3 qb you have major flaws you have to prove you’ve overcome. He has not yet. could he? Highly unlikely, but possible. I’m fine keeping him around but he’s the 1 in 100 shot while the trade up is a coin flip

Well, down the road would be 4 years and possibly 2 GMs from now if it doesn’t work out. You miss on that and you are stuck long term. With Tyrod s dead money you are looking at like 140m over 5 years to the starting qb position with over 100 (90something plus the Tyrod dead money) “guaranteed” the more I let the numbers settle the more I feel ok about Tyrod (essentially the lowest paid starter not on a rookie deal) and a prospect like mayfield.

Just saw a report that the new money was 23.5 per. So that’s a 5 year 111m deal plus a second plus a player for smith VS something like 5 years 125-130m for cousins? its an interesting discussion. Add in staying put for the 4th qb off the board, or trading up and our qb situation really is a tough call this year.

All depends on the compensation involved. if smith is sub 20m per and costs less than the chiefs traded for him, and cousins is 25m+ per year.... I’d likely lean Smith.

Bold play to formalize and leak it this far out. Seems things could go sideways easily

So following the course of the last few days of discussion— yannick was probably too sensitive and confused the insult as more racist than it really was but luckily for us he likely was duped by Ritchie’s fake apology too... but its really pushing it to think Ritchie simply said something in line with things he’s publicly said for years (even perhaps by accident in the heat of the moment), given that he was accused of similar and apologized without any added clarification on this innocent mixup...

Because you’re not a juror and neither of us are convicting him of anything... we are a couple of guys on a message board discussing whether it looks like he said something inappropriate

I think that the- it’s crazy out there and it’s not representative of who I am— has to give a little pause that it might’ve been more than the previous “welcome to the jungle” hypothesis. its possible there’s some ambiguity for sure... as I’ve said, I’m not trying to send him a suspension letter based on his apology... but The way it’s played has to give a little pause in defending what he may or may not have said.

Without actually knowing - nothing... but I’m still able to say that given the context of what we do know, I think he probably said something reasonably offensive to a black person. “That guy said something racist” ”man, I apologize - it gets crazy out there and what I said isn’t representative of the man I am” And it seems to truly pain you to acknowledge that the response lends some credibility to the claim? You also keep mixing what one thinks happen with what he should be punished for. Let’s pretend for a minute you and I are having a beer, and chit chatting.... and put away the fear that roger Goodell is waiting for your opinion before moving forward with punishment... you have to think there’s a pretty good chance he said something racially inappropriate, right?

It would be like getting brees from San Diego... but a little riskier due to the draft picks. id be in.

Probavly early enough to just delete on your own, no?

No, but damn near every one of the big multi contract vets retires unhealthy was his point. gets dicey.