NoSaint

What metric would you accept?

I cant wait to see the definitive posts declaring allen an all pro or bust based on a 7 second clip of him throwing in shorts... “will you look at that foot work?!?”

Unless a guy gets cut or we trade, I think it is what it is.... free agency is a wasteland at WR

Ultimately this draft will be framed by what you think of allen... if pegged as a flop it’s easy to say the bills turned 6 day 1&2 picks plus a solid LT into an ILB and DT. Even if they are good it’s a big fail.... if allen steps up its an A+ hes a big wild card. Can’t get to high or low on every draft grade today.

Lots of guys from bama don’t win at this level

So when you said if he’s the best player he will play you actually meant when it’s best for him to play he will.

Feeling high on McCarron or low on allen? Id suspect the gaps relatively small and ties go to the rookie generally. This will be a tough battle for McCarron - who hasn’t done toooo much in his opportunities

Thats what I was curious to see.... if you tighten in from first round to top 10 locker is a huge exception.

Well, lucky for my point, both were weird about it last year so any comments from either this year are kind of taken with grain of salt until you see guys on the field

Know how I know you’ve been day drinking?

I was just pushing back on the can’t get better without starting sentiment. Im probably one of the folks most openly saying I think he plays a noteworthy amount this year

I’d venture there’s no way for either of us to say. Is Jake locker suddenly a star if he sits? Its a tough conversation because the sample size is tiny and the variables are huge

To be fair, I’m not sure playing made those guys better either.

Lucky there are film rooms and practice fields too!

Beane was weird about naming the very obvious Tyrod the starter last year. Once the pads go on we will learn a lot about the actual plan

I’ve seen a few games but didn’t key on the kid heavily or anything. My comment was a half joking brake tap for the “we may have found our guy.” He’s a long shot to make the roster, and the OP framed it like he’s a good shot to be #2. I’m not down on the kid but not over the moon either benjamin zay kerley Holmes streeter 2 rookies they spent pucks on ugh... maybe not such a long shot... but he has work to do to pass at least 2-3 guys

My point was that you seemed to imply knowing dabolls offense a bit would help... but if he didn’t do well in it previously it might not be a good omen for this summer.

The fact that he wasn’t particularly good in it may hurt him.

Huge long shot, but a shot

Cordy was a guard too. for all we know that book was again written by a gm hoping he’d slide out of the top 3. The draft tends to see people repeating each other so much you think everyone agrees. If crafty you can spin a weakness into a quote that becomes the entire story. We are about to learn a whole lot more about what our gm and coach thought of him.

Additionally, simply saying it today means very very little. Would you be shocked if they changed minds?

Rodgers was behind a hall of fame qb young was the 80s and started a bunch of games before landing behind a hall of famer if McCarron plays very very well it may prove me wrong. Part of my assertion is that we don’t have another reliable 16 game starter on the roster. Love that auto correct!

Genuinely not sure the answer but how many top 10 QBs have red shirted the last decade? its got to be a tiny percentage and several were more potential than polish

Are you implying that 18 AND 19 are writeoffs waiting til 20 to even begin to see if the qb can even play? What nfl have you been watching?

Depends widely on the scheme. If it’s a complex scheme leaning on intermediate timing routes and anticipatory throws requiring touch... maybe the vet wins August. but I can’t imagine the kid sitting all year