BADOLBILZ

The post I was responding to was pondering what the Bills WR corps might look like NOW if they made a different decision in 2014.............not simply "revisiting the 2014 draft".........8 drafts ago is an eternity in the NFL though.......if you found that off-topic, which I did not, you should take it up with @bills6969. In the meantime, it's called "advancing a discussion", officer.

@Royale with Cheese was trying to pull a straw man........out of pettiness, I assume. He said that I claimed that all 300 POUND lineman had underlying health conditions. Here is what I said: "And that issue is usually very much a function of being overweight and obese. Like all 300# NFL lineman." The definition of obesity is being 20% or more over your ideal weight. Now you can argue whether there are a handful of 300# players that are not 20% over their ideal weight...........but those would be exceptions. Maybe you think guys who have to wake up in the middle of the night to eat so they don't lose weight in their sleep are living a very healthy lifestyle but I would suggest otherwise. Even the "leaner" OL are actually carrying a lot of extra weight to be able to play the position.

Oh sure, throw Beane under the bus.

That would be a great fit for him. I'd rather he ended up in NE than there.

As critical of the Ford selection, and his play, as I have been..........he does have two seasons of team control left so he could in theory end up as a backup to Lamp and then succeed him in 2022 if Lamp does well and departs in FA. I won't shed a tear if he gets sent off but they've got guys like Lamp and Bates and Boettger (and essentially Morse) on one year deals so if Ford shows improvement I could see them holding on to him even if he can't beat out Lamp or Feliciano for work.

To play Yolo's advocate tho.........he might be getting married or having a child born etc..

It's good business sense. If every team had ONE stud TE then it would be a huge disadvantage not to have one. When things are needed they become more valuable $$$. The scarcity of good TE's actually works against them at contract time because teams are accustomed to operating successfully without them.

He was only converted from QB to TE with the Bills. But he had been signed to the PS by Whaley just weeks before Rex got canned so he wasn't a McBeane guy. Had they signed him they might have had more patience........obviously the Bills TE room has been one of the league's worst since McD arrived. But with the clusterf*ck that the 2018 offense was it's not surprising that evaluation mistakes were made.

His son Robert was a big time QB recruit a decade ago. Played at the U and then Purdue and I thought he might carve out a nice career in the CFL but he gave up after a year and a half.

Kelce tries to pressure Kittle to run more routes after practice etc..

Again.......you thought I wrote 300+.........I wrote 300#..........you misread it........making it a totally different point.😂 Go down to your local Dollar Tree and get a pair of these:

Got to give the people what they want. I'm working on a dramatic ending for the star saga........this is what I got so far:

It's time for reading glasses dude. I didn't say 300+..........I said 300#.

I think in general most fans have come to realize that drafting a RB in the first round is a no-no.............but they are using the "final piece of the puzzle" idea very liberally as an excuse to make an exception. The problem with saying the #30 is like a second rounder idea is that #30 has a lot more value than #33..........because the team gets a 5th year option on first rounders. Which is VERY important for players at key positions that can get very expensive. Even if you hope to sign them to an extension sooner it is a big bargaining chip. In the case of Josh Allen.........even with a VERY high 5th year option # it is far less expensive to pick up that option than what his aav will be on his next deal. It provides leverage for the team and impetus for the player to get a deal done. Being free to walk after year 4 is a gift for players at high dollar positions. I agree that the pick was better used on a high ceiling pass rusher.

Why are you immune to the wrath of @Royale with Cheese? He's frickin' demanding I provide data that proves fat people are more at risk for heart disease.............if he asks me to prove that water is wet I might need your help.

Yeah my point was that they weren't the final piece of championship puzzle as a rookie...........like Tony Dorsett in 1977 was..........which is a big part of the argument behind drafting Etienne. I don't think anyone believes Etienne is going to have the career impact that those guys had generations ago when RB's were still often the best athletes on teams...........but they do have expectations that aren't supportable with comparable examples of that.

No...........in fact, nothing in @Hapless Bills Fan response said anything about that. However.........you should join the "open a thread about a subject and complain about that subject matter being discussed again in that thread club" with @NewEra. (I kid NewEra, I kid)

Yeah, that was a REAL low blow making light of you shutting down a thread that everyone knew was going to get shut down by someone. Either that or a missed opportunity for you to have a sense of humor about a situation with a controversial player that everyone knew was going to come to a head at some point. People make excuses for a player based often on faith in them..........and then when it starts looking like that faith wasn't warranted........THEN they get upset. This is the beginning of THEN. Based on McD actually addressing the situation with a negative...........I'd say not wanting him around is an option.

Yeah..........and considering how little a 10 year vet 1 tech DT would have to gain from being at a voluntary OTA............sounds like patience with his reasoning for not being with the team is running thin. McBeane are humans........it can be expected that they didn't enjoy his decision to opt out and have been wondering about his commitment to the team.

And that issue is usually very much a function of being overweight and obese. Like all 300# NFL lineman. Not a matter of if I agree with it or not. The majority of at risk players showed up and played. Star was an unusual case because he is making the small circles around the drain of his NFL career and his salary was fully guaranteed. He had a lot of motivation to take the opt out and not expose himself to the risk that the normies and at-risk but financially less-secure were.

That looks serious.........he should opt out. According to the AHA more than 1 in 3 adult males have heart disease. The oversized and overweight are at much higher risk.

"cardiac issue" is a pretty broad definition. I think virtually every older OL and interior DL player has underlying medical conditions. Almost all of them played thru them. I'm not saying that Star isn't one cheeseburger away from a heart attack but having his salary fully guaranteed whether he played or not AND then getting an extra free $350K to stay home would financially motivate A LOT of older players that have just been forced to take a pay cut to stay home. The writing was on the wall. This was probably his last NFL paycheck. Also, fwiw I really don't think him not being here for volunataries is a sign of anything. I suspect he will suck or not play for the Bills at all this season, but 10 year vets often don't show for these things. He has the least complex job on the entire defense and this isn't a new install...........even if he didn't suck he wouldn't need to be at this OTA.

Quick.......get your Star barbs in before Hapless sees this!