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As noted.......he wasn't a late first round pick.........he was literally middle of the first. That matters because the perception in most drafts is that the "first round grades" end once you get 20 picks in. And you are talking up forced fumbles as a stat on Edmunds when he hasn't had one in the last 42 games? Seriously? Yeah he may have about the same amount of tackles as Roquan Smith but Roquan had 18 TFL's last year........Edmunds has 19 for his career. Edmunds instincts have been disappointing but that could be overlooked if he made plays........what's damning is that he doesn't make the kind of plays that change games.......turn the ball over, or collect TFL's/sacks........he's not a game changing player he is top 10-15 MLB in a league where the overwhelming amount of the league's best MLB's are in the opposite conference.

That kinda' move would require a growth mindset.

The sad thing is........Tremaine Edmunds has about the same wingspan as Campbell and Rousseau but with legit 4.5 speed........aaaaand he's laboring to make any impactful plays at MLB and got spun around like a top in coverage last year. I think sometimes people forget why he was seen by some as the best pass rushing prospect in his draft.

Yeah as I believe @GunnerBill pointed out earlier this offseason when you watch his tape you see a lot of Leonard Floyd in him in his pass rush off the edge. But I think his ceiling is higher though because he's a physically much bigger, stronger player and his one season at Miami was almost as productive as Floyd's 3 at Georgia. Floyd never produced so it's not a surprise he's never put up huge numbers. To me the thing he has that Floyd and Calais Campbell don't have are those 11" hands for tackling. They make his wingspan a bit more functional so I think he has a chance snare a lot of unassisted/shoestring tackles and pile up TFL's and more sacks than you'd expect from someone who isn't pretty technique-wise.

Yeah you guys really did some damage when I was on the wagon.

If the Bills actually want an explosive RB offer San Francisco a 5th for Mostert. $3M cap hit in his walk year. They might even take it. The Shanahan camp always leads the league in runnin' back arrogance and I guess since his dad is grandfathered in he still has a coupon for a dozen of them for a dime.

Yeah he's not a 1:1 match with Shaq physically but he falls in that range of guys whose sum of parts just don't add up to be effective pass rushers. Also I am taking these pro day times with two grains this year........I'm thinking there was some truly excessive fudgery with a lot of these #'s.....and if your school wasn't cheating for you in this environment they probably weren't trying. The NFL ain't complaining.........there is a huge amount of interest in a draft where the injury brigade already projects to start coming off the board in the middle of round 1.

There isn't a RB in the league or the draft that is "lifting" this team to a SB. The Bills were perfectly middling running the ball last year despite poor run blocking........they need to block their run plays better and to become even more explosive in the passing game to improve on an offense that struggled in the playoffs. I know fans prefer to ignore the math......they love shiny RB's.......when the Bills acquired Shady McCoy he had just lead the NFL in fewest yards per touch at 4.3 and yet there were people deducing that he was going to put up 2,000 yards from scrimmage. SMH. The best RB in the league is only going to give you around 6 yards per touch. Every Josh Allen pass attempt averaged about 8 yards last year. And there is room to grow that. Making the Bills offense more play choice balanced does not necessarily make them more dangerous...........throwing more screens to RB's into the teeth of defenses already squatting on short and intermediate routes is not a formula for stretching the field and making it easier to move the ball. Even if you have the league's best receiving backs like Kamara, McCaffrey or Aaron Jones you are just averaging 8 yards per completion to those guys.......Isaiah McKenzie netted 9.4 catching mostly shovel passes and he couldn't find a job this offseason. Having a big time RB is not actually a "force multiplier".

You gotta' be kidding me. There is no good reason for anyone to ever go in there.......the first time is as bad of a decision as drafting a RB in round 1. Agree on Basham, IMO he projects closer to a Courtney Upshaw impact than a Melvin Ingram ceiling on the Shaq-ometer of limited pass rushers.

Because Etienne most certainly IS just a RB. Even if he became a great receiving RB he would average just around 8 yards per reception.......far from comparable to a good receiver. A playmaking receiver will give you 12-18 yards per reception in the passing game. The equivalent argument would be handing the ball off to Cole Beasley 70 times per year and him producing 3.2 yards per carry and calling him a weapon in the run game.

I tend to agree with the draft network guys who see him as duplicitous with the other seemingly limited ceiling pass rushers Addison and Epenesa that they already have. At DE in a 4-3........if you're juice-less you're useless.

Dareus played a lot of 1 tech in the wide 9 front Schwartz ran and nobody saw that as a limiting role for him. It's really not against the rules for a 1 tech to make plays but for the Bills it's difficult to let their 1 tech be aggressive because Edmunds needs so much protection in the run game. The wide 9 funneled the run into the middle.......Edmunds needs it funneled into a much narrower gap and then we have to hope he finds a nut.

When you rotate the DL as heavily as this regime does in Buffalo they rightfully expect full effort all the time. It's not overstated.......the Bills snap leading DT Ed Oliver only plays 54% of the snaps. When the Bills had the best pass rushing DL in football under Jim Schwartz the objective was to get the starters 80%-90% of the snaps. Little easier to understand taking a down off occasionally when you are playing 400 more snaps per year.

Allen is great but also one of those "guys who have it all" types that might not have as broad appeal as advertisers want. It's easier for the common folk to relate to the undersized Mayfield or the goofy, unathletiyc looking Rodgers(yes he's goofy looking, he looks like every 1980's Detroit Lions QB). Plus there are two more incoming with Levor and Zach 5th Avenue.........if they do really well it could be a tossup which one of them LeBron allows to do commercials.

How much would a slightly less used first rounder Clyde Edwards Helaire yield in trade? A pick about where Moss was selected in round 3 maybe? Nah, with one year expired on his relative high priced rookie salary probably not even that. RB's lose a ton of value the minute you drive them off the lot.......even if they play well. Christian McCaffrey is a superstar and his value + 3 more future #1's might get you back up to the spot where he was drafted.

Yep and Diggs was a big net positive.....but again that doesn't make it better than any of Jones' seasons. With 3 yards more per catch Diggs best season would have been the second highest yardage season of all time right between Calvin and Julio. Not that being just behind Victor Cruz for top single season yardage years isn't nice but it's a big difference in the class of company.

We will have to agree to disagree about him being in the class of Tyreek Hill or Mecole Hardman as far as speed and big play threat after the ball is in his hands. The larger point is that he is the best the Bills have and his value is greater as a short to intermediate receiver so it's a moot point.........he's not going to be taking screen passes 20-30 yards or being used as the deep option on 50% of his routes.

You have it backward. Bulk catch stats mean little. Yards per play are more important to team success. Again, not to take away from Diggs but if a receiver can put up just 90 less yards on like 40 less catches.......that's a win because the very best offenses average 6 yards per play or more.

Dropped from a helicopter I'm neither assuming the football was entirely free falling or the exact distance traveled. Doesn't sound like the event was set up to meet those specifications.

Jones is a big play receiver averaging 15 yards per catch over that span and Diggs was a high volume receiver who put up 12 yards per reception last year. Not trying to disparage Diggs but none of Jones' seasons were lesser than what Diggs did last year. Jones is a first ballot HOF'er, top 15 ever kinda' WR who averages 1300 yards per year. Over his first 5 seasons Diggs averaged about 900.......he is going to have to string together 4-5 more years like last year to get in that big of a conversation.

If they ever wanted to trade him, yes. For 6 seasons 2014 to 2019 every year Julio Jones had was as good or better than even the season Diggs had last year.........and better than ANY season a Bills WR had before that. And even last year his stats projected over 16 games were going to be massive. If they are seriously considering drafting Pitts at #4 and keeping their 36 year old QB they should be trying to outscore teams next year not hoping against logic that Pitts can just replace a guy in Jones who averages 15.2 yards per reception for his career. But they are the Falcons.

I've seen you cite that stat from 5 seasons ago(2016) before........it was the 4th fastest clocked top speed on a run in 2016 not "the fastest"..........but per Next Gen stats it's the only time he's shown up on the top 20 high mph runs in his career. He's since had two 100 catch seasons and a 2019 season where he was used a ton on deep routes. Lot's of chances to get back on there. But nope. Top speed measured in a certain nano-second over a long run does not necessarily tell you how fast a guy covers a lot of ground. If it takes Diggs 6 strides to reach an mph that Hill and Hardman reach in 4........that's probably the difference between 4.3 and 4.46 over 40 yards........and the difference between getting tackled in the open field and getting the edge on the defense. And that's what the eyeball test should be telling you........because quite clearly he is not as explosive as those guys.

Yeah he is fast enough to get over the top but you gotta' scheme for it with an under-center QB play action system like Minnesota did in 2019. The Bills aren't going to go to a Minnesota or Tennessee style play-action offense. In the open field Diggs isn't scaring anyone with his RAC ability. Much, much more difficult to stay with before he catches the ball. Speed is much more important at the WR position than at the RB position.

Etienne is a much better fit in outside zone though, IMO. And.......ya' know.......c'mon.......what are they going to switch backs out for every down based on what they all do well? Both RB's would be a terrible idea......but remember.........Beane is Gettleman's first born........can't rule it out til you can rule it out.

Tyreek Hill ran a 4.29 and has averaged 14.5 yards per reception for his career and Mecole Hardman runs a 4.33 and averages 16.7 ypc. Both tore up the Bills in the AFCCG. They don't track the deep ball too badly either. Those are big play threats with the speed to back up the fear. Stefon Diggs is a great receiver.........he's now the "burner" of their starting corps..........but speed-wise his 4.46 is the same as the Chiefs 5th WR option in 2020 Byron Pringle. It's pretty obvious that the Bills WR corps lacks speed. Etienne isn't in the class of Hill or Hardman in terms of speed........I doubt he could outrun Diggs or Pringle in the open field. The talent and speed plays WR nowadays. RB's barely move the needle and expecting Etienne to be the exception is