BADOLBILZ

Sorry for late response: 1. Johnson and Hardy both sucked when the Hardy situation was relevant. He wasn't on the team when Johnson started getting the snaps 3 years in. 2. True that I did forget that Gailey and Nix did the almost unthinkable and decided to take an entire season to evaluate Dick Jauron's last roster. That kind of incompetence........an utter lack of urgency or respect for the investment of the fanbase...........is something we should never forget. 4. I wanted to like SJ13. I go to every preseason game so I was very familiar with him and knew he had a chance to be a decent player. Gailey absolutely maxed out his talent. But SJ13 was not able to handle success. He was costing his team with the penalties.........and putting pressure on himself with the self-promotion.........pressure that resulted in mistakes on gameday. The lead-up to the Pittsburgh debacle was his self-aggrandizing all week. He was a textbook definition of a selfish, losing culture player. As I said.......it didn't end in Buffalo.......he took his show to CA and it continued. 5. I get to say it because I lived it. Maybe if you had a 15 year old future attorney adamantly argue to you that "cash to the cap" wasn't a cost cutting measure you would understand where I am coming from. I really felt terribly for those kids.......it was CRUEL. The lack of commitment to winning took a toll on an entire generation of Bills fans who really had no experience with what good stewardship even looked like........let alone the details needed to be a SB contending franchise. The good news is that once you see it.......you should be able to pick it up fast. And like I said.........I think those people know now that a screwball like Stevie Johnson wouldn't have a place on a Sean McDermott team.

Yeah I see his ceiling as a more agile version of Andrew Whitworth.............who IMO would be a lock HOF'er if he had played in a big market or on a great team during his prime. Whitworth played a lot of guard early in his career before becoming a very good LT.........which is likely how Eichenberg would start out in Buffalo.

Yeah, maybe he can physically play 1T.........but that position really requires a lot of personal sacrifice/selflessness and that makes it an easier said than done proposition. Barmore likes making plays and flexing......he doesn't strike me as a guy who would be content absorbing double teams. Jordan Phillips was 340 and he was absolutely terrible at 1T. If they don't have the want-to they won't be playable.

The receiving corps was obviously diminished in the playoffs. They took a beating last season. That's the nature of this style of offense........tons of underneath throws.......tons of hard hits taken from downhill pursuing defenders. Keeping their receiving corps healthy was always a problem for the Patriots playing this style of game.......guys like Welker, Edelman, Amendola and Gronk took a ton of big hits and missed a lot of time to injury.

Butler did play 1T out of necessity.........and he was no worse than Star had been the prior 2 years........but he had 6 sacks in 2019 as a 3T in Carolina. He was signed to replace the similarly overgrown penetrator Jordan Phillips. I get your point but they literally have 4 guys under contract who have proven they can make plays from the DT3T. It's the other 3 spots where they are lacking playmakers.

Oliver, Zimmer and Butler are all 3T's......and Obada had most of his pass rush success from the 3T. I like Barmore but 3T is probably their strongest DL position.

What I said about Johnson was that he was a selfish, losing culture quality of player that wouldn't be welcome on McDermott's roster.........nothing you quoted counters that. I don't hate SJ13.........I just hated having his undisciplined idiocy on the Bills. He would literally draw attention to himself.........and then choke under the self inflicted pressure. Making a fool of yourself......failing........and then exposing your hurt feelings to the world is a great to make you relatable to the public..........all that self-involvement is not great for helping your team win. After Stevie left it's been all laughs when he gets a mention.........here's a link to the last time he cost his team a game with a stupid, selfish penalty at his last stop in San Diego: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/10/chargers-stevie-johnson-on-penalty-i-have-to-be-smarter/

This happened at a baseball camp in Florida that I attended when I was in HS. It was for late HS and college players. We get there and the first day we are all hanging out and there's this soft, shaggy blonde haired 30 year old lookin' dude in old man sweats and New Balance running sneakers with all these fresh faced 16-22 year olds. We were bustin' his balls......are you sure you belong here?.......he swore that he was currently playing for University of Michigan. We got on the field the next morning and he was still in sweats and running shoes and the hardballs are flying around like rockets and this dude was about to get killed by one of them at any minute........and we were laughing so hard that we couldn't get a thing done. The coaches finally pulled him aside and took him away. We thought he was pulling some sort of prank but it turned out the poor guy was homeless and mentally ill.

God bless anyone who read thru all that. Bushman is not "my player"........just pointing out that you are drawing a conclusion that has nothing to do with an actual evaluation of the player. It's basically "all Jeff Tedford system QB's have disappointed in the NFL.........so that's just a no for me"..........there was indeed a string of dud QB's from JT's programs......but then came Aaron Rodgers.

I've never based my draft philosophy off of what one team does...........they all make tactical errors...........case in point.......I've liked all of the players that McBeane have chosen in the first round.........but they reached up for need for Cody Ford. I was thrilled when the Chiefs chose Edwards-Helaire. Bad decision. All teams make bad decisions. Doesn't make them NOT bad decisions.

You need some new lenses if you compare Josh Allen to Stevie Johnson. One is win at all cost........the other was self-promote at all cost. No HC goes "Old Testament scorching" on a player in the media. I guess you don't know how it works.

Eliminating players from consideration using that methodology is bad practice. It actually works both ways........in some seasons where the class is considered strong at a position.......players actually get moved up higher than they should on the assumption that it's just a great class..................the rising tide raises all ships. In years where it's assumed there is no talent.........sometimes players get written down because of the perception of the class as a whole. George Kittle is the best in the game........he didn't slip to the 5th round because he was in a great TE class...........he slipped because he was mis-evaluated. That can happen in a good class or a bad one.

There is a big difference between a random, heat of the moment unsportsmanlike conduct penalty from a guy like Josh Allen...........and selfish Stevie Johnson's premeditated, scripted celebration penalties. Gailey's response to the media was pretty strong against SJ. Saying he was tired of his selfish acts the first time they happened was about as damning as you will get from a HC talking to the media. Not even refuting the selfish tag the media had put on SJ13 was damning. Gailey had a tendency to let the media make his criticisms for him. He did not have a good hold on his locker room. The one player who should not have embarrassed him though was the guy who benefitted the most from him being the HC, which was Stevie Johnson. McDermott is much more defensive of his players in the media. Things get handled behind closed doors. Ask Quinton Spain.

OK so can we put Ryan L Bilz down in the "McDermott would love to have Stevie Johnson on his team" category? His apologists don't seem to have much courage to match their conviction on this topic.

I think everyone knows it..........but it hurts his fans to hear it. The term "Bills Mafia" was not born of logic..........it came about by loss-grief stricken fans defending SJ13 against national media mocking him for losing a game with a drop and then blaming God on twitter..........but I think after a few years of winning those fans now know that kinda' sh*t shouldn't have happened......wouldn't be accepted in that locker room now....... and did not warrant excuse making at the time.

1) I don't know where you get the Johnson/Hardy narrative. Hardy was a bust.......Johnson was just a roster hanger-on during that period. Stevie Johnson's out-producing James Hardy 12 catches to 10 in 2008-2009 did not make anyone forget that Hardy was a bust. 2) Evans and Parrish were at the end of their careers in 2010.......misfit vertical receivers a horizontal passing offense with two short tossing QB's......their draft status as they were washing out as players is completely irrelevant. After 2010 the two of them combined for a total of 90 yards receiving before they hung up the cleats. 3) You are conflating Donald Jones and George Wilson..........different guys. 4) What I know is that Gailey gave him a chance to play and a style of offense that was perfect for his skillset. And his reward? Johnson openly defying a totally reasonable request to not commit selfish penalties. 5) Your second and third paragraph is utter self-serving "I'm the cool old guy" sh*t. That was a lotta' words to twist what I said. I respect the lost generation of Bills fans who grew up not knowing what a contending team looks like.........you raise a toast from afar if you want........ I tailgate with them every home game. Some of them since they were kids and now they have kids. They had every right to not want anything to do with the morbidly mediocre, drought era Bills. Like I said, I blame the organization for the incompetence. When your team has no substance, the people are naturally going to gravitate to any "style" in it's absence. Even some people who should have a higher standard found importance in some of his stupid acts......like that "pure gold" you described. You think you know what everything looks like..........well if you think Sean McDermott would tolerate an asshat like SJ13 then you don't know much.

He was actually the highest drafted player in Gailey's first WR lineup. The ONLY one actually. Jones and Nelson were UDFA's. As I said........Gailey made him........he gave him freedoms that really don't otherwise exist in the NFL......because the offense was SO untalented. It was backyard football and he and Fitz put up some bulk numbers........but, I suppose predictably, it wasn't really effective.........in 2012 he finished 18th in receiving yards but only 160th in catch % in an offense that wasn't exactly pushing it downfield and making high risk throws. In his three 1,000 yard seasons his catch % never got out of the 50's. He wasn't terribly interested in physical training either.........and at the end of his very brief run of success with Gailey he was constantly nagged with soft tissue injuries and that was pretty much it. Pfft. I know SJ was a hero to the "lost generation" of Bills fans. Young people who knew only losing and had no real understanding of what to expect of a winning franchise and had come to accept some pretty low standards. I blame the Bills organization for that.

He was definitely not a likable player. Bringing up some of these guys really makes me appreciate the fact that don't-give-a-sh*t attitudes like his aren't in their sweet spot in Buffalo anymore.

Rub the lamp.......do it!

Here is all you need to know about what kind of guy Stevie Johnson was: Chan Gailey made him into an important player............he fed him the ball and gave him the freedom to do almost whatever he wanted on the field........something that nobody else would have given him. He owed his brief success to Gailey giving him a chance and putting him in position to succeed with his horizontal passing offense. But when Gailey pleaded with him to stop with the totally unnecessary and embarrassingly immature unsportsmanlike conduct penalties..........he refused........spiting Gailey just days later in a game against the most hated division rival. He basically challenged Gailey to bench him.........so Gailey had to.........and they then blew a big lead and lost. Loser. If you think Sean McDermott would have tolerated his bullish*t you are sadly mistaken.

SJ13 That guy was the ultimate anti-process, me-first Buffalo Bill loser.

My sentiments exactly. And for the second year in a row the league is receiving a huge class of quality WR's. Everyone wishes they had a great TE and it's frustrating when you play a team with one and they have a big game........but there aren't THAT many of them. Meanwhile, practically every team is about to have a WR3 that would have been a WR2 quality player just a few years ago. Nice to have a guy who can match up more with TE's and help in run support..........but statistically it's going to be much more important to be able to cover the WR's.

Yeah I like it. He's definitely that "Denver" type of athletic OL who is a physical fit for what they want to do. Funny watching the video of the Vikings fan lamenting Dennison not getting Lamp.