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If Allen can throw 5 mph harder in windy Mobile Alabama than he did in a still combine setting..........why do you assume that guys like Mahomes, Herbert or Eason could not? The fact remains.........in the same combine environment......his fastball wasn't "not even close" better.........it was thisclose.........in fact it was the same as little known Jacob Eason, a fact you conveniently neglected to even mention. And don't get me wrong.......I believe they all have instances where they throw harder than they might have in a combine setting..........I believe the video of Brady throwing 62mph too.........and that being the case it certainly wouldn't surprise me that the aforementioned QB's can all surpass 65mph........but if Allen was throwing that much harder than any and every other QB in the league do you not think NexGen stats wouldn't be feeding us that astonishing info to help upsell Allen?

Like I said, I've discussed flipping him for Beasley when he was losing his sh*t on social........Beas is from Texas and is on a cheaper contract next year so that might appeal to Houston.......and maybe throw in a late pick to sweeten it. But if you don't clear playing time I'm not sure where Cooks gets the snaps and I get the feeling that he would not be happy being a reserve and knowing he would be dumped into free agency with bad stats after the season. So you probably gotta' clear snaps for him to keep him happy.

Cooks was traded to Houston. That's what happens to Cooks..........he gets traded.........produces........gets traded again. Reminds me of this guy:

I picture SB XXV........white jersey, white pants. But the white over blue has definitely been unfortunate of late........was surprised to see them bring that out for the Titans game after just beating the Chiefs in white on white.

Nah. It was the end of them possibly having an extended playoff run like Jacksonville did that season though. They were 4-2 and playing dominating defense when they dealt Dareus......they were 5-5 the rest of the way and experienced their worst 3 game defensive stretch in franchise history. Dareus went to Jax and the Jaguars run defense flipped from bottom of the league to the top........he put up 2 sacks and 4 TFL in their run to the AFCCG. He wasn't a long term fit for McDermott's culture but they don't make the playoffs in 2017 without his contributions early in that season. He was playing tremendous as the DT1T. I thought they might be interested in Cooks if things boiled over with Beasley and they had to make a move with him............but seems like Beas got his sh*t under control. We will see if he gets back to social media bickering with the world after the deadline though.

Or maybe they informed him he's on the block. If he's upset about Ingram being traded........that would surprise me........Ingram was probably thrilled.

Actually Cooks is apparently pretty sick of being traded. Said he wouldn't accept anymore trades last January. https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/houston-texans-brandin-cooks-accept-trades/story?id=75007339

This would be the Browns equivalent of the Bills grazer logo

Trust me, I want to believe it. But it's year 4 and his inability to throw accurate/timely passes with air under them still remains. They win the Steelers game if he could. They are adapting to the weakness by asking him to just under throw those passes........but that's working around a weakness, not fixing it. What I see is a great QB with a glaring, but probably/eventually correctable, weakness. He's definitely in the conversation with the greatest physical talents ever, IMO. But it's not cut and dried. I've said it before.......the hope is that he fixes that problem while he still has all of the other capabilities. THAT will be peak Josh Allen and I can't wait to see it.

1) I wouldn't say "it ain't even close". The longest pass "ever" measured in a game was Patrick Mahomes 68 yards in the air. Mahomes also threw 60 mph at the combine so they were "close". I have always thought Allen had the stronger arm but it's contest worthy. Justin Herbert also threw 60 mph and Jacob Eason tied Allen's record at 62 mph. There are some strong arms in the NFL today. 2) As for stories, Denver used to set their jugs machines at 80mph to simulate Elway's throws. Stories be stories. 3) JA's baseball 91 mph never impressed me. All that told me is that baseball wasn't his sport. The Yankees wouldn't draft him as a catcher with that mph. He's not a real loose athlete so not sure his kind of power translates well to baseball. His first pitch at the Jays game this year was a sad disappointment.......despite reportedly putting in quite a bit of practice. And as hard as Chappy once threw.......Nolan Ryan is the standard. I tend to believe he'd hit that reported 108 mph on a modern gun. The bigger baseball issue with Josh is that he lacks that "shortstop type" of arm talent/athleticism that Russ Wilson and Patrick Mahomes and Kyler Murray display. 4) I don't disagree about him being a unique beast of a QB. Bad things can happen.......but he's built to last.......much like John Elway and that allowed Elway to be winning SB's when his class of 83' cohorts were busted up and retired. I strongly disagree that the ability to alter how you throw the ball isn't part of the "arm talent" equation. It most definitely is.

Of course, if you are a 4th year NFL starting QB and can't easily throw simple passes with touch........you have a persistent lack of coordination between your brain and your arm. That's a physical deficiency. If you've ever played sports or coached youth sports or can even remember when you played them, there are always kids with better natural hand eye coordination and spatial awareness. They are things that can be improved........but so can ALL of the other things on your list, with the exception of skeletal frame. Allen still struggles to throw passes that require "touch". Not just screens. If he has to put air under a deep ball it could easily end up overthrown by 30 feet whether he has any pressure on him or not. His arm strength is amazing so he can circumvent some of that by throwing fastballs a great distance..........but he certainly doesn't have the assortment of speeds and trajectories at his disposal that guys like Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson and Herbert do. Watch the games. It's gotten to the point with Allen where they just don't attempt a number of fairly common throws. And, IMO, if you can't make all of the common throws you probably aren't the most physically gifted QB of all time. But he is definitely on the list of most blessed/gifted and the assortment of natural "gifts" that he does have promises to buy him time to improve as much as possible in the areas where he isn't as "gifted".

The charging Buffalo is one of the great logo's in sport.........people have become fans of the Bills because of that logo. The Grazer......the target.......the dead buffalo........is one of the lamest logos in sports. They "threw it away" for a good reason. Great jersey though.

The NHL point system and OT are as gimmicky as sports get in North America............so why not have a midseason play-in tournament.........or just give the top 4 teams byes and let the rest of the league fight it out in a 2-3 week series to qualify to play the best. Still get your long playoff season but you reward the best teams.........and incentivize the worst. I know these ideas are nothing new but effort like the Sabres have been giving in the first 6 games of the season shouldn't be unusual.

Upsets once in a while are fun. But the best regular season team in the NHL hasn't won the Cup in 9 years (2012-2013 Blackhawks). Why should players be invested in a regular season that means so little? If you want to see more consistent effort.........make it worth something to the players..........there isn't enough at stake.

A gift is something that is given..........touch/timing is natural to many passers.......a gift they have..........for some that's all that gets them to the league.........it's very valuable to be gifted with it. Allen is going to have to work for that........it's most definitely not been gifted to him. He will throw seemingly simple touch passes that look like a HS JV QB at times(like the screens to RB's in the KC game). Most natural gifts can be improved upon........Allen is proof of that........he has improved his accuracy, running speed.......a number of things. Brady is obviously the standard, he is more physically talented at 44 than he was early in his career. But is Allen more naturally gifted than guys like Herbert or Lawrence? I think they both throw with better natural touch, timing and anticipation than Allen. It's readily apparent. They are both very big, very athletic and have very strong arms. On the hoof they are very comparable and maybe even more "gifted" than Allen. What Allen doesn't get enough credit for is his mental makeup.........he's smart, driven to win and has a ton of emotional intelligence...........which makes him a leader and that is a non-physical trait that combines with his gifts to give him a chance to be an all-time great.

I'm guessing the smell of booze emanating from his pores gave away the cause of the fall. I remember when they picked him up passed out drunk at a stop sign and he said he just had "sleep apnea". Times were different then.

Actually, the thing that makes hockey a sport where "team play" can beat superstars is that it's the pro sport where you get the least consistent effort from the product from night to night. When your team is playing hard and smart, it's fun to watch. The NBA has elicited greater effort by basically turning the players into greedy CEO's on the court.......there is so much money to be made. The NHL isn't going to have that kinda' $ motivation so they really should be looking to do things to make the regular season more important. The playoffs are way too ***** long. Byes for the top teams would be good. Nobody needs to see a 1 versus 8 series in round 1. Let the barely qualified teams fight it out in short series for the right to play the teams that dominated the regular season etc..

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GTFOH with that nonsense. Alex Smith didn't have a career resurgence in KC. He was having an excellent season in SF in 2012........including putting up over 600 yards of offense against Buffalo(worst defensive game in Bills history, how could you forget who the QB was).......before an injury ended his season and he was traded to KC that offseason. His completion % dropped from 70% to 60% in his first year in KC and his yards per attempt fell from 8.0 to 6.5. That's A LOT if you didn't know. The next season the Chiefs with Andy Reid and Alex Smith at the helm became the only team since the merger to not throw a single touchdown pass to a wide receiver. All the while, he was a steady and productive QB. He had an excellent year in 2017 but the team was only 9-6 in his starts. He also had the benefit of the league's leading rusher.......a near 2,000 yard all purpose season from Kareem Hunt........and a top 10 defense. And they promptly lost in the WC round yet again. Mahomes inherited a dynamic offense but didn't get the same Kareem Hunt. The Chiefs defense also fell off significantly in 2018. Mahomes lead a lesser team to the #1 seed in the conference. He was the difference maker. I'm not saying the Chiefs didn't set him up to succeed but the notion that they were overwhelming the league offensively prior to drafting Mahomes is not true. In fact, the 2016 Bills offense was BETTER than the 2016 Chiefs offense. The Bills chose to tear it down and not select a QB that spring.

I don't believe the "most physically gifted QB" stuff with Allen. He is a beast but he still lacks the touch and timing of other elite passers. That is part of the physical equation, IMO. If he can throw it on a line he is as good as it gets. If he has to put air under the throw he's not as impressive as Brady(obviously) nor the other young QB's Mahomes, Murray, Herbert or Burrow. The advantage he has is that he is an absolute physical beast. If the throws aren't there he can run for big plays and get away with it easier than those other guys. He also may be able to outlast the other guys........and finish more seasons........because he is built to withstand punishment. Basically Kyler Murray's season came apart last year because he got hit a few times and lost his edge. In the back of my mind I expect that to be the case this year as well.

Interestingly, even during some stretches of drafts where the QB quality wasn't very good.........the trend of 1st contract QB teams reaching SB's has been pretty consistent. Even utter imposter franchise QB's like Kaepernick and Goff and Wentz(got Eagles home field) have been good enough to ride the signficant roster advantage into team SB appearances. Guys like Flacco and Cam have had more good seasons than those guys but they also were relative shooting stars that probably got to SB's more because of 1st contract roster timing than anything else.

Yes, you and some people in this thread are definitely playing make believe. Patrick Mahomes having won a SB is not make believe, it's reality. The damage is done already........he's won a SB and he's also directly prevented you from reaching a SB. By rights, after 3 years of #1 seed status his team SHOULD be cycling out somewhat.........so being like "but yeah NOW I think Josh Allen will be better than him" just because the Bills are in a temporarily favorable roster/schedule situation is a pretty humorous way of looking at it.

As I said.......nobody was saying that Kelce and Hill were an "outrageous" offensive tandem when they played with Alex Smith at QB. That's why they paid top dollar for Sammy in free agency in 2018. I suggest anyone that has game pass go back and watch that 2017 game between the Chiefs and Bills...........the quality of QB play from the above average and productive Alex Smith to the spectacular Patrick Mahomes was immense. The Bills defense forced the Chiefs skill players into positions where they knew Alex Smith would struggle to get them the ball, effectively neutralizing their offense. 2018 Mahomes playing in that game would have blown the Bills doors off that day. The weapons are nice but his ability to make throws that can't be defensed has been a game changer. If you don't think the situation is similar here with Allen you are wrong. He makes throws all the time that allow guys like Diggs and Sanders and Knox to run routes that are impossible to defense. People don't appreciate the difficulty of plays like the TD throw to Diggs late in the Arizona game last season.......or even the over shoulder TD pass to Sanders in KC two weeks ago. Those are plays only a great thrower of the football can make and they make the skill players look that much more dynamic.

Correct.........they have a window where they are set up to have the perfect storm of competitive advantages to win. That's this year and *maybe* next. After that they will have to win in spite of a competitive disadvantage against teams with their own perfect set up. Maybe the QB well will run dry and that will change but over the last 9 years there has been a "first contract" QB team in 8 of those SB's. They have won 4 (and none have won again, obviously) and Brady has won 4 and the outlier Lombardi was won by the Broncos defense(over rookie deal Cam). And frankly, one could argue that Brady as the supreme GOAT should probably be making double what he has earned in those seasons and by taking half that is a big reason why he has been able to get to so many himself. Rodgers, Russ and Mahomes all have won just the one SB and ain't playing for half their value. Neither will Josh.

No, I guess you missed it.......Mahomes has actually won a SB already. If the question is who will be the better QB "going forward" then that question is a big "who cares" if neither of them wins a SB because Mahomes already has one. My support of Josh Allen has never wavered........liked the pick.......saw the potential.......enjoyed watching him play..........but I root for the laundry..........the objective is to win the SB not to just lose in the playoffs 10+ times over the course of some "favorite player's😙" career.