BADOLBILZ

I'm enjoying the season.........last game was our best tailgate of the year too, it was great fun............. but I do see where the high expectations + the Covid related drama and the extremely inconsistent play has been very triggering for people who are already inclined to feel sorry for themselves or expect the worst.

I'd like to see him brought back but as Sal noted this morning on WGR........Brown was pretty pissed when they cut him. Not like he has a lot to gain financially by showing up to be on the PS or even play a couple games so he would have to have the want-to to come back if the Bills called him.

Yeah and it seems to be a trend that home field advantage isn't such an advantage anymore. Home teams are pretty close to .500 this season. So if the better team wins regardless more often or not......the idea of building for your unique home weather circumstance seems counterintuitive when you have 8-9 regular season road games every year that are all fair game as well. Not putting a dome on the stadium just makes it a less attractive place to play.............which increases the chance that you aren't fielding the better team.

12-3 actually. All but 2 of those games are really ancient history.......league was very different then.......and they really struggled to win those 2 fan-less games last year........looking very little like the team they had been all season. Homefield advantage ain't what it used to be.........coming into last weekend home teams actually had a slightly below .500 record in 2021 and the Bills had been 3-3.

It didn't load on my fully updated Mac so I pulled it up on my phone and it loaded like something from the 90's. Bad picture. I have video of the Diggs TD and the entire stadium after the play and there are large swaths of empty seats in the upper deck and the gappy seating in the lower bowl. But if you don't want to believe they pad the attendance figures that's up to you. Always have. Either way we are talking about thousands of no-shows for a game that sets the team up to play a de facto division championship game the next week............when the team has only won the division once since 1995. Like I said.........if they lose to NE there will be MORE no shows.........not less. Then there will be another game against an uninspiring opponent. And in the life of the stadium there will be entire seasons where the team is poor or mediocre and has to play 4 games or more in December and January.

As I thought.........you clearly weren't there. It was far from 65K in actual attendance. The amount of tickets sold(in a year the team was expected to go to the SB by fans) and the ACTUAL attendance on game day are two different things. Additionally.........there were tons of free-loaders there......as I said the people to my right and in front of me were just there because they had gotten the tickets for free or very cheap(tickets were as low as $8 online and going unsold). And even then there were dozens of empty seats right in my section which are great seats near the 50 in the lower bowl. Late season attendance is an issue. Always has been and always will be going forward if they insist on an outdoor facility. The reality is that people don't want to sit out in the cold and especially when they have to drive an hour or 3 to get to the stadium in the first place.........which is common because the Bills are a very "regional" franchise. Doesn't affect me personally I tailgate out in the elements either way and I'm on site for 10 hours every game and love it.........but as someone who has had to get people to show up to late season games to use up our extra season tickets(for the better part of 30 years now) I know more than some schmo who just lives the Bills experience online.

Were you at the game Sunday?

When prices are mostly static with modest increases as they have been for decades? Sure. When they increase by thousands per ticket to pay for a new stadium? C'mon bro. My point is that the Bills lack of advancing to a modern pricing model(because of their modest/basic facilities) has lead to a false read on the veracity of ticket buyers because they've remained cheap enough for existing season ticket holders to just keep adding extra's.

Again you are leaning on old data to make your argument. When the price of tickets triples........that changes. Every account in our group has at least one "extra" ticket.......we will likely all keep our own seats for seniority purposes........but in total about 40% of our season tickets will likely get turned in when they go from $1400 to $4000 each. This would seem to be a recurring theme around us in the lower bowl as well.

At the opener security took a trashed and unconscious fan out on one of these DWC's:

Asking me how business went in a business setting is fine.........even the highly secretive Letchworth project spearheaded by DD were fair game when that project was originally greenlighted. The NDA prevents discussing the details of it now though. These PC's are a mandatory business meeting for Allen, not the proper time for idle chatter and small talk about things you learned about him by creeping on the internet. Yep @eball has never forgiven me for asking him about that.

I employ quite a few people and it is really annoying when they see me out and about and the next time they see me they ask me how Wegman's was. That's the exact type of answer I give them only because "none of your fxcking business" could require me to have more discussion about it. Now multiply that by being the local NFL QB. These guys have a lot of time to contemplate these questions they ask.........no excuse to not know better.

@purple haze doesn't see a problem with tickets that sell for 10 cents on the dollar late in the season with 3 home games left on the schedule in a season where the team leads the NFL in point differential and is a likely playoff team. If they lose this week and are only all-but-promised a lousy wild card berth().......could be looking at sub 50K actual attendees next week and less than that the week after when the people visiting family in town have left. But keep polling fans in spring and summer about whether they want a lid on the stadium or not..........but make sure they have to tell you if they attend all the late season games in their response.😉

Everyone knows that the NFL makes most of it's money on TV packages but that's all shared revenue. The unshared funds are like found money.......all the more valuable to ownership and important to keeping a team in town. If you don't foresee attendance issues in December and now January then you likely haven't been a season ticket holder for the past 30 years. There are always attendance issues once the winter weather hits because people don't want to sit out in the cold. I don't really foresee the next generation of Bills fans being as inclined as the last to sit out in the freezing temps. The seats "mostly" fill up late in the season because they get given away or sold dirt cheap to people who wouldn't otherwise buy them. And those folks certainly do not represent the demographic that will spend money on other things at the stadium either. When the costs triple we will surely still keep our own seasons but I know how our group will respond.......by not collectively owning 2-3x more seats than we have regular, paying attendees for. This is fairly common, most ST holders I know have extra's because they are currently a fairly cheap way to get friends together or reward employees or people who do favors for you etc..

And yet Singletary has averaged 4.8 ypc on 441 career carries and his best season ypc (5.1) was when they were not yet a pass first team in 2019. Taylor is a stud but he's also running behind maybe the highest draft pedigreed OL the league has ever seen........#1 overall + #6 overall + #18 overall + #37 overall..........when you are that invested in the OL and RB positions you should expect to be dominant on the ground.

Yeah........but unfortunately, long term it's hard to justify being top heavy in investments on defense(both in the draft and in cap space) when you are built around a franchise QB.........they are going to lose equity on that side of the ball in the near future so finding a fit and getting something back might end up being the play. Oliver, Edmunds, Beasley and Stevenson to Houston for their #2, #4 and Brandin Cooks. 3 Texans traded back home and a MLB the opposite of the guy they just cut. Who says no? (probably Houston if they even have the picks I didn't check)

The lot right next to Hammer's house. 13 Glen Street. TSW folks always welcome to stop by(as they've always been).

It's just always a thing in the lower bowl. And it's not because the few people who buy the view-obstructed lower seats want to stand to try to get on TV or have to stand to actually see the action on the crowned field. No, the second level of the lower bowl stands too.........and it's just because a few OCD people can't stay seated and THEN the rest of us have to stand. But it's not like dominoes from row 1 up to the 40's where I sit. When the game isn't going well and people really want to sit.......it's not uncommon for disputes to break out over those handful of "always standers" and for them to get disciplined for not staying seated.......because technically you aren't supposed to obstruct the view of your fellow fans. I'm mostly oblivious about it but I do like to have fun with the situation from time to time.

You stand the entire time in the upper deck? I had seasons in the upper deck for a couple decades and never saw a whole section doing this all game. A few random people that the rest of the crowd wanted to kill.........but not a whole section.

There is some truth to that.........cutting the stadium down to 60K makes the ticket more exclusive.......but keep in mind that the cost of the ticket will likely triple when you figure in licenses. I'm all for making the stadium smaller capacity. But I can tell you from 3 decades of personal experience attending almost every single preseason and regular season game........that Carolina game was the game when you bring those dudes that would normally never pay for a ticket. Tickets were literally $10 online and not selling. I sit in the lower bowl and not only were lot's of seats empty but the two people next to me and 6 directly in front of me were all just there because they got the tickets for free or next to nothing. That's not a good business model. And you have to be open to the idea that the NFL just might be greedy. The league doesn't want you looking at the ticket buying, parking and pretzel as the entire process. Then they will want you to come in very early and gamble at their in-house casino(something nobody would have imagined 20 years ago), partake in their expensive food and booze rather than tailgate(and on average it probably costs us $30 per person to eat and drink at our tailgates cuz we eat good) and buy merchandise to commemorate this joyous event (and not necessarily just NFL merchandise). And they should feel confident that it will work. If they can squeeze in other events or get people to show up for some of that year round that's just gravy. I remember my parents generation complaining about the cost of Ralph's $20 tickets but when they would drop $1K at the track or casino on the weekend that was just "the high cost of entertainment". The NFL is less than half-way into fans pockets on gameday. At least those select 60K. They know it they just gotta' figure out how to get it. IMO they will have a much harder time extracting that dough if a lot of the actual paying customers don't show up for the last 4 games or if they have to show up in a snowsuit/rainsuit with 6 other layers of clothing.

Yeah that's probably the number.

The thing about studies is that they rely on old data. Things change. The people who just want another hole in the ground in OP also can't really imagine what the league is going to look like in 20 years when the stadium is approaching it's half-life.......nor do they care because they will likely be unable to enjoy it then. The people on this board are definitely not the demographic that will be paying for this stadium and enjoying the entertainment options etc..

I hope you quit playing lung darts but maybe have one before bed to relax.........because it seems like this topic is stressing you out. But when you do quit...........PLEASE don't make me part of your (insert #) of steps process by apologizing to me or telling me I was right. You can just assume I knew smoking was a dumb choice........and didn't take your nonsensical denials and illogical insults personally........and that I just assumed you'd wise up and swallow your pride/ego and quit that habit.

Yeah, he had a really bad game against NE. Otherwise we'd be a lot higher on his performance this year.

Yeah, actually by saying "though" you are accepting that "you are the choices you make" is fact..........which is admitting that making dumb choices identifies you accordingly. Again..........when you get serious about quitting an expert can help you work thru the ego issues that won't allow you to separate your identity from your choices.