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But, I mean, he got Ohtani for free. Ohtani chose them. They didn't even have to use a draft pick on him or even pay him a big bonus or salary. He's just now qualifying for free agency. That's the ineptitude of the Angels organization.........they were handed Shohei Ohtani at a time when they already had the then-best player in baseball in Mike Trout on their roster and 5 years later they haven't fielded a good enough team to make the playoffs.

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You mean what is the award for a realist fan of the greatest MLB franchise(by a lot) that actually plays in the state where he lives and pays taxes? None necessary. Most Bills fans that follow MLB are naturally Yankees fans. Common sense really. But you do deserve a nod...... "Bad take specialist who randomly roots for an MLB team in a different state and where Buffalonians absolutely hate the NFL team"........... @4merper4mer Congratulations you've unseated the recently re-closeted and take-improved Boston pro sports team fan @Nextmanup by crowing about your Missouri Cardinals organization as they sit like 15 games below .500. Damn that balanced schedule! Side note.........there are a lot of self involved, narcissistic people we have posting in this thread. The objective here is to give props to the people who have made an impact this offseason. Preferably for good reasons. Stop asking to be called out for bad behavior. For shame. Tisk risk. 'Tis better to give.......

Yeah they don't have cap room for a $7M receiver so trading for him is a no go..........and they have starting money(Sharty) and a 1st round pick invested in the slot so adding an another injury flyer/bounceback guy to the mix doesn't really add up. Now if Sharty pulls a hammy in camp or preseason and Kincaid doesn't look ready and then Renfrow cleared waivers.........

No none of Allen, Mahomes or Burrow has as much combined OL and receiving talent as Hurts. That's not even particularly debatable. Bills and Chiefs have mediocre weapons(around 20th best in the NFL) and the Bengals have had bad offensive lines every year under Burrow. Hurts is set up.........but 14th in TD passes and 10th in passing yardage doesn't "eyeball test" as elite to me. Brock Purdy was set up to put up huge efficiency numbers with the leagues best overall group of playmakers and an excellent offensive line too. I don't think Purdy is elite either, do you? Did he pass the eyeball test to you because he had more yards per attempt, a higher QB rating and a higher QBR than Hurts all in a pretty good portion of a full season? If it only being one season causes you pause remember that Jalen Hurts was not very good his first two seasons in the NFL.

Irrelevant. I don't have a bias against any of the teams that Hurts played for or against in a big game. I look at players thru the lens of how they would project to the NFL. If you have a point to make, say it. Nothing I've said about him is untrue. I'm sure you probably thought Jake was going to be a good QB because you are a Georgia homer but my team had similar game manager QB's winning championships and I never thought those guys would be any good in the NFL. I'm not sucked into that homerism.

Rushing TD's are much less indicative of QB quality than passing. In 2015 + 2017 Tyrod Taylor combined for more TD's and far less turnovers than Matt Ryan. Sandwiched between there 2016 Matt Ryan won the NFL MVP. But there was never really any question who was the better QUATERBACK over those 3 years, was there? The Eagles offensive roster and system are more conducive to production on the ground than the Bills. Much more. Running TD's are generally indicative of a system choice or a big roster advantage.

Like I said........with THAT great protection that Hurts gets. And remember that prior to narrowly being defeated in Arrowhead in the AFCCG, Joe Burrow had beaten Mahomes the first 3 times they met despite terrible protection. Hurts wouldn't beat Mahomes once out of 4 times behind that Bengals OL. We wouldn't even be having this discussion. Hurts isn't a slouch but is still largely a product of the system, IMO. The Eagles have even specialized in creating QB's who look like HOF'ers one year and then descend to earth. Like Nick Foles utterly outrageous 27 TD 2 INT season. Or Carson Wentz 3rd place MVP season. They are a special organization and Howie Roseman is the best GM in the business. Maybe Hurts transcends that but I have significant doubts.

Oh he's gotten much better.........he was a flat-out poor thrower of the football altogether at Alabama........the arm strength, touch and accuracy weren't there. But he's still not in the league of those others as a passer, IMO and I watched every Eagles game last season. He had a very nice Super Bowl but imagine Joe Burrow with that protection throwing against those rookie CB's in a SB. It would have been a slaughter. It was on a platter for the Eagles. Much better roster, opposing QB playing on one leg, ton of rookies(some who I think will prove to be scrubs) in big roles for the Chiefs.

This thread is hilarious. You can tell who watches the rest of the NFL and who just remembers a RB draft crush by their takes on Dillon. Once he got an expanded role he's been meh ever since and it's not because of injury.........he just isn't very good.

We will see. He had a future All Pro cast of receivers at Alabama and wasn't a prolific passer and was ultimately benched for Tua. With the 2nd best 1-2 punch last year at WR......behind Miami and with Jamar Chase missing so much time in Cinci.......Jalen Hurts threw for just 22 TD's. I think he has a lot of intangibles and a supporting cast that greatly simplifies his job........but circumstances change..........and I just don't know if he can expand the field the way guys like Mahomes and Allen can or dissect a secondary with precision like Burrow. And those are ultimately the standards.

I'm not sold on Hurts yet. I am a college football fan and he really was limited as a passer in college. He's improved A LOT but nobody had a better combination of blocking and receiving talent around him last year.

AJ Dillon is JAG. He did not look good last season........the power was not there........and he has fallen below league average producing on the ground and in the air when he touches the ball. Not that JAG isn't good enough to win a SB with........but he's not played up to being a second round pick and should have very little trade value.

Agree he had a really good offseason. Lotta' good, rational and informed takes. Some MVP votes for sure.

Newark Museum of Science and Trucking "Schedule and Logistics" award.......... @corta765 Now if the self proclaimed optimists would stay on topic instead of trying to denigrate the more correct people then maybe we could get some more nominations for awards like that. I think if you have a good one.........you can have a bad behavior one, right? Just gotta' keep it in this offseason so late January til now.

Funniest poster this offseason............ @Ridgewaycynic2013 I thought @Ridgewaycynic2013 won the offseason in this regard. Volume and quality. No offense to @Jauronimo who has the most sophisticated/refined sense of humor on the board and @teefwho is probably the top one-liner guy even with the duds.

Great points. I loathe to be critical but Winners never quit and quitters never win award......... @eball. He had a chance to run away with most improved this offseason after hitting rock bottom last offseason but chose to not participate on the basis of some principle that he created up for the occasion.

I mean, sure but you probably aren't getting many other MVP or Comeback Poster or Lady Bing votes with just 1200 career posts. Gotta' up those numbers for the big shiny one's. The plaque's and certificates are largely up for grabs though.

Davis and McKenzie already had over 700 yards in 2021.........hence they only gained 500 more in expanded roles while replacing 1300. The net result of not having enough good options was that they had to feed Diggs A LOT more. That looked good when he was on near record kinda' receiving yards pace in the first half of the season........ until teams finally realized that if they just took away Diggs the Bills offense would become chaotic and mistake prone because the other weapons were shaky targets. As for Beasley being brought back..........sure but he was thoroughly washed in 2022. I'm talking about the quality of 2021 players versus 2022. Beasley had been in decline in 2021 but was a helluva lot more useful than McKenzie or the off-couch version of Beasley in 2022. Just maintaining a level in the NFL requires replacing players who are declining with upgrades. The Bills did not do that. They inked a terrible Saffold to replace Wiliams and took flyers on high injury risk players in OJ Howard and Jamison Crowder and those both failed miserably. Then Davis and McKenzie played worse in expanded roles. They made themselves worse at a number of positions. James Cook was a nice addition when he was used more in the second half of the season but RB's don't move the needle much. They put worse talent on the field for Dorsey. Fact.

On TSW........the offseason IS the season. I can't believe it's almost over........it went by so fast. Here are some of my opinions about the best of the offseason TSW 2023 MVP...... @GunnerBill Gunner has had another tremendous offseason. His hard work and attention to detail leads to some of the most informed takes on TSW. And without a high volume linkster to steal votes I think it would have been something of a landslide. Most Improved......... @Logic I gotta' say his posting has improved immensely, IMO. I used to say his posting was ironic.........because there was a lot of illogic.........but much improved. Most interesting offseason turn of events.......Heel turns from @Einstein and @Nextmanup. Love it. Heels are the best written characters. Even though I take great pride in being universally loved here on TSW......I will admit that I have a soft spot for those who can work a crowd. Most ridiculous idea that is currently or becoming accepted........that drafting a RB in the 1st or 2nd round every 4-5 years is smart because you avoid paying a veteran. Talk about making no sense.........and yet there are some GM's who actually appear to subscribe to this. Maybe even our own. It took far too long for most teams to realize that having high quality individual RB's doesn't correlate at all to winning championships..........and despite the fact that the leading rusher on SB winning teams every year is usually a guy with a paltry amount there are still people who think you want to get a stud RB early in the draft at the expense of all of the harder to fill positions. It's nuts. It's like the people who are the last to admit that stud RB's don't make much difference gotta' find some way to still justify the need for quality. On TSW we still have our irrational 1st round RB fans and nonsense like this being kicked around by people within the league doesn't help bring fans to their senses. These are just my opinions of course but feel free to share your takes on the offseason. And remember....... @YoloinOhio departed in-season so in itself that wasn't really an offseason move. Personally, I think bellcow linksters are a thing of the past and I support a move to linkster by committee......but I digress......I think we should have these kind of acknowledgements and aspects that tell the story of a TSW offseason.

Yeah really. Replacing the solid and versatile Daryl Williams(67.5 pff grade) for the thoroughly washed version of Rodger Saffold(horrific 43.7 pff grade).......maybe the worst OL to start every game in the NFL last year.........was a massive failure. Williams would probably have started at RT for the first half of 2022 given Spencer Brown's struggles recovering from back surgery. We thought Williams was a disappointment at RT early in 2021 after his excellent 2020 season(79.5 pff grade).......but Spencer Brown in the first half of 2022 was much worse. 2021 Daryl Williams would have been the second highest graded player on the Bills OL in 2022(Dawkins 73.5 was #1). And they lost Emmanuel Sanders(and didn't replace him) and replaced 2021 Beasley with McKenzie. 1300+ yards of targets gone. Two big downgrades. In elevating the ham-handed Davis and McKenzie to much larger roles they only gained 500 of those yards 1300 yards back........and kept us all on the edge of our seats as the Bills then had the highest dropped pass %(6%) of any team in the NFL in 2022. It really became Diggs and the Pips........which allowed teams to be more creative in how they defensed Diggs in the second half of the season. After 6 100-yard games in the first 9 weeks he only had 1 the rest of the way out. Coinciding with the Bills offense becoming much less consistent. The 2021 Bills were more talented on offense. No doubt. They were just hamstrung at times by Brian Daboll inconsistency that season. After that 6 point performance in Jax and after they took that L at home to the Patriots to fall to 7-5 nobody in their right mind thought Daboll would be getting a head coaching job in that cycle. Dorsey came in and raised the offensive floor of the team in the regular season by simply not coaching any of those games so badly that it cost the team a W.

There will be much better players available on practice squads at midseason if they have that many injuries. He's been washed since before Covid.

Yep Gillislee lead the NFL in yards per carry and was also somehow the best short yardage RB in the NFL in the same season.

This is true.........and part of the reason is that today's RB's(with the exception of Derrick Henry) can't hold a candle to the last crop of great RB's that arrived when guys like Adrian Pederson and Marshawn Lynch entered the league. The wall got closer......falling from 30 all the way to 26......when the great talents started playing other positions. So these guys are complaining about not being paid like a great RB of yesteryear...........but they aren't as good, either. It's the only position where the quality of athletes has gotten worse. They aren't the Thurman Thomas.......they are Kenny Davis. They aren't Jerome Bettis they are Barry Foster. If the league wants to be equitable they should pay them more on their rookie deals. They may not have the longevity of yesterdays starting RB's but they are doing a lot of work relative to what they get paid. But if not, then it's not a big deal. There will always be some RB's because there are still plenty of muscle hamsters that can't hit a curveball and can't play other positions.

Let us know how many steamshovels are in use.