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Well maybe your guesstimation is right that he played a bit more for a few game stretch at one time in his 4 year career..........but he's been pretty consistently at just a tick of 56% for his career. (I think just a tick of means just a bit less than, correct? ) At $30,000 per snap that puts this deal second only to Aaron Donald on a pay for play basis. And that's not including actual production..........which is not good. He will have to be a much better player than he has been for this contract to not look kinda' ridiculous. If I was the agent for Christian Wilkins(David Mulugheta).........the bar has been reset for me at $30K+ per snap. And CW played 955 of them last year.

Yeah but Ed Oliver is hurt A LOT. A LOT A LOT. This despite being a heavily rotated DT who is playing just 570 snaps per year compared to say......Jeffery Simmons......who is being asked to play 870 snaps per year. Simmons projects to earn about $27,000 per snap on his 4 year $94M deal.........Ed Oliver at $17M projects to $30,000 per snap. And of course when Simmons is playing hurt he's still very impactful because he's a full sized DT while Ed is greatly diminished due to his lack of size/length. So on paper it's a bad deal. They still gotta' fill an extra 150-300 snaps that teams with other highly paid DT's do not expect to have to. But hopefully Ed learns how to take care of himself better and play smarter.

This thread has been hilarious and Mike Catalana showing off his Drew Bledsoe "Donahoe Clown Suit" road jersey just added to it.

I've already said why.........the Jets haven't made the playoffs in 12 years and finished last in the AFC East in 2022 and teams that have defense's that go from worst to first typically have huge dropoffs the following year. The Jets had the healthiest defense in football last year after having the 4th most injured defense the year prior. It will be hard for them to repeat that success. Their QB is turning 40 this season and is coming off his worst season as a pro and his commitment to the game is highly suspect. The Bills have the highest point differential in the NFL over the past 2 seasons. We know exactly what they are capable of and they've won the division 3 straight years, gone on the road and beaten SB contenders and won close games in high pressure situations. And perhaps most importantly........they have the best QB in the division.

Long striding WR's have that advantage over most CB's on the deep ball because CB's gotta' be able to chop it up and cover short routes as well........so they generally aren't going to be long striders. That said.........when he faces better CB's they tend to be able to track him down and he's not good if those throws are contested(see the 70 yard throw that went thru his arms with Sauce nearby at the end of the loss at Meadowlands last season). He's just not talented enough to be a top WR2 because there are a lot of good CB2's nowadays. The problem gets magnified when teams can put CB1 on Gabe and double Diggs. But if Gabe is the clear WR3 or is playing a banged up secondary.........he can excel against low quality CB's.......like he did in his great game in KC against their beat up secondary.

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Let's not get carried away with the "clutch" moniker..........yes Gabe Davis has had 3 excellent playoff games........but he has also had 3 bad playoff performances where he totaled just 2 catches on 11 targets for 34 yards. The 7th game he played in was the "perfect game" against NE where he had a modest 41 yards receiving in a blowout win. He is defined by his inconsistency. Even in big games like the AFCCG where he got shut out..........or just in big moments(like the critical drop late in that terrible Jaguars loss in 2021).

I don't know if it says THAT much about how he feels about Beane. I doubt he has the same confidence in him that he had in 2020. But everyone knows that this team is close with prime Josh Allen at QB and the Pegula's gave McBeane full control and it wouldn't make sense to scale back now to try to save a few million $ and leave them with any excuses.

I don't think that's nearly as interesting of a story really..........we have already seen how the Bills responded to being a favorite the past two seasons. They have won their division and had the highest point differential in the NFL over those 2 regular seasons. Hasn't been enough to reach or win a SB.......but the range of outcomes is much broader with the Jets. They could win the division or they could be this years version of what the Broncos were last year. They even brought in Nate Hackett to help with the latter option.

Yeah and since cap dollars roll over..........having $24M in space is merely accounting. At some point in the near future they will have to realize and absorb that $58M for playing this season.

The thing that is impressive about that is Terry Pegula writing those checks. Beane is just doing what most GM's would do if the owner gave them total control of the checkbook.

I remember the Bills being flat against the Jets because they were perceived as a break in their schedule and getting bitten by it after jumping out to a big lead in NJ. Also remember the Jets being the healthiest defense in football and still being in last place despite Saleh declaring that the Jets would meet the Bills again in the playoffs after they lost in Buffalo. This was after he told the media he was keeping receipts on their criticisms so he could shove them in their faces at the end of the year. This year the Jets have SB expectations so we will see how they handle being expected to win.

Tua used to get hit hard and low on the regular at Alabama when refusing to throw the ball away and that's how he's torn up his lower body. It's cute that he's trying to "learn how to fall" ........ but that's not the only injury problems he's had.

1. McKenzie wasn't a literal example. It was an example of a newly created thread which asked a question that I had long ago answered in great detail.......with great accuracy........with a thread I started last season. And in numerous posts ever since. Point being that if you dismiss my takes out of hand you would have missed the Lil' Dummy takes. 2. You didn't tag me in the post. This is tagging: @Alphadawg7 . You added the emoji to make it seem "T-I-C" like 5 hours ago........after my response.......when you edited it. So not it wasn't tongue in cheek at the time. That doesn't bother me one way or the other. The truth is what it is important......Beane spent a ton of money on garbage in UFA in 2018.......trying to dismiss that fact because you want to discredit the messenger is just perpetuating ignorance.

Read that aloud and listen to yourself. Daboll had a lot more than a "play or game" not work out. Daboll without a good QB was a dead f*cking last ranked OC and fired thrice for it.......and then in his fourth shot as an NFL OC with the 2018 Bills.........his offense was the worst scoring offense thru the first half of a season that the NFL had seen since the merger. His floor has been established as extremely low. It's proven. Mularkey without good QB's, in Pittsburgh at least, was very productive. I mean, Tommy Maddox was trash and that was his QB for 2 of those seasons. People forget that part of the reason that Mularkey was a desirable HC candidate was because he got production out of what were perceived to be very limited QB's. He was seen as a guy who could probably elevate the game of a young QB........and drafting one in round 1 was Donahoe's objective at the time. His first year in Buffalo he elevated Bledsoe.........his second season with a first year starter JP Losman and a journeyman Kelly Holcomb was one of the worst called offense's in Bills history.

A source? Don't be an idiot. That implies it's not public knowledge. Beane spent upwards of $100M in UFA that year and got Star Lotulelei, Trent Murphy, Vontae Davis, AJ McCarron, Chris Ivory, Russell Bodine and Marshall Newhouse. Star was ultimately paid $40M+ to play 3 seasons. Murphy got ALL of his money. If it makes you feel better to dismiss my takes out of hand that's your prerogative as a message board reader. As the owner of TBD could tell you.........NOBODY has been more right when assessing the Bills personnel and coaches since this site began in 1998. And I'm far from only negative. I have plenty of players or coaches that I defend on TSW against criticism that is wrong. Incorrect criticisms of Beane as well. So ignore me telling you that Isaiah McKenzie is too dumb and clumsy to be your starting slot WR and then you can be that guy posting after he's gone asking "what went wrong?".

So Sam Wyche coming within a minute of beating the 49ers in the SB wasn't "legit" but Daboll squeezing a 15 TD pass season out of top pick QB Daniel Jones is? I don't think you understand the point. Like I said........when they are doing well you think that they are special..........but when they are bad they are REALLY bad. Wyche had a lot of terrible coaching seasons after the good part of his stint in Cinci. Daboll was an OC in the NFL 4 times and was fired after one season the first 3 times because he was horrible.........and was historically bad in the first half of his first season with the Bills. Mike Mularkey had top ranked offenses in Pittsburgh with Tommy Maddox and Kordell Stewart at QB. Mularkey taking the job with the Bills was very similar to Daboll with the Giants. On paper he seemed like a very good OC but he drove Bill Cowher nuts and I believe it was the same with McDermott and Daboll. Mularkey had an excellent first season in Buffalo breathing new life into Drew Bledsoe........and then the season finale against his old employer happened with the playoffs on the line.........and then next year he was terrible from start to finish. He seemingly did a great job with a weak roster as HC in Tennessee as well but got fired.

With regard to McKenzie.........he didn't do much when Daboll was with the Bills. He was the same low IQ, clumsy idiot........which is why they wouldn't keep him on the field. A dose of speed once in a while and then back on the shelf. That's all he was worth. And the lamenting of Daboll is . He is just one of those hit or miss play callers. His previous jobs his offenses were always ranked 30-32.........which is why he got fired so many times as an NFL OC. As I've said many times.......he's a current day version of Mike Mularkey or Sam Wyche. When it's good you think he's special. When it's bad you want him fired out of a cannon because it's terrible. Dorsey may or may not cut it.......time will tell........but they were more consistent offensively with less talent and more injuries last season than they had been with Daboll at the helm in 2021. Certainly weren't any 6 point showings versus the worst team in football like Daboll in Jacksonville 2021.

He's clearly WORTH more but the most important ability is availability...........and that applies to free agency as well. He wasn't available when teams had a lot more cap flexibility and weren't as committed to their plan/players than they are now. If he doesn't get paid more than OBJ then NFL agents should use this as a prime example of why you don't f*ck with the team that's paying you even if you want out. Their decision to wait until now to release him was pretty clearly punitive.

1. Dumb player 2. Stiff and awkward athlete with hard hands 3. Not accountable or self aware

Yeah and some observers act like the Bills should be sh!tting themselves with Dolphins and Jets franchises that have made the playoffs a combined twice in the past 12 years. The Bengals have 2 SB winning HC's and teams with long, long track records of success to contend with. And the Browns might be the one they struggle with the most. The Bills have some talent to contend with in the AFC East but your point about teams you can COUNT ON to win 10 games says it all...........the Dolphins have had just two 10 win seasons in the past 14 years. I'm just not going to concede success to them until they actually prove it. And the Jets? They were the healthiest defense in football last year. The year before they were banged up and terrible defensively. Same people crowning them thought Washington was going to be the defensive bully of the NFC for years to come a couple seasons ago. Saleh is a total meathead. I can't remember a HC who writes more checks he can't cash. Now he's proclaiming Breece Hall ready for the opener.........which means he will NOT be ready for the opener. And why even sell that? What a douche that guy is.

The Chiefs would have had their way with that Bills defense in the playoffs as well. Early season matchups don't mean much at all. Late in the season against Cinci the pass rush was gone with Von, Rousseau, Oliver, Jones and Phillips either out entirely or hampered by injury and the secondary went from compromised early in the season to being in shreds come January. That was not the same team that beat KC earlier in the season. The perception that Cinci is harder for the Bills to beat than KC is just "feels" that came from playing them in entirely different circumstances and Damar etc.. The Bills don't have some magic fix to stop Mahomes.........the Chiefs just haven't been playing with the same urgency early in the season as the Bills have. Yeah but before the hip and the concussions he had a bunch of knee and ankle injuries at Alabama as well. He's been injured a ton and I think some people just think it's about avoiding getting his bell rung again.

He had the best game of his best season.....his rookie season.......in Buffalo. So he probably made an impression on them that day. Looked like a real steal and I was wishing the Bills had gotten him at that point. They ended up getting a more reliable version of him in Gabe Davis the following year.

But you have to worry about your own division regardless. That's not relevant to the discussion point........which is what opponent you fear the most. Right now Jacksonville and KC look like the most likely 1-2 seeds due to the ease of their divisional matchups, if nothing else. But fwiw, I like the Bills chances against their divisional opponents. I think the AFC East has a chance to be something like the AFC West last year.......the dominant incumbent and a bunch of overhyped pretenders. Wouldn't surprise me at all if NE finishes second and has the best defense in the division. Saleh is a meathead and teams whose defense goes from worst to first have a remarkable tendency to have major regression the following season..........and Tuna is injury prone and already thru his second potential career ending crisis(the hip injury/surgery at Alabama was the first).

What we KNOW is that the Chiefs will win the AFC west with ease and be playing at home in the divisional round at worst. The Bengals, I don't know. The Bills didn't match up well with them with their secondary in tatters last season........but the Bengals division is shaping up as very strong. They tend to get the yips against Cleveland, who is also improved........play down to whatever Baltimore's level is.........and Pittsburgh traditionally owns them and is feeling confident and is also improved this year. I could see the Bengals ending up 10-7 and the Bills being able to avoid them altogether. So the Chiefs still top the list to me.