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AGAIN.......the Chiefs have invested more in finding their #2 receiving option. They have 3 recent early picks fighting to hopefully become their #2 option.......or at worst their #3 if one of them can't beat out MVS. The Bills have just 1. All of their eggs are in the Kincaid basket and he's an actual rookie. And the Chiefs have been to 5 straight AFC Championship games and 3 SB's and won 2 of them. So yeah even if 3 wasn't more than 1.........only a fool wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt over any other team in the NFL. Where some Bills fans(who obviously don't follow the rest of the NFL closely) have gotten really stupid is with these expectations that Harty and/or Sherfield are going to be studs. Every team has role players like them on the back half of their WR corps. You probably never even heard of either of these undrafted players until the Bills signed them. Occasionally, but very rarely, does one of these guys go from being super low producer for their first 4-5 years or for their first 3 teams(like Sherfield). The likelihood remains that Gabe Davis will be the Bills #2 receiver option again this year. That's rightfully concerning considering how inefficient the Bills were when targeting him last year. He had one of the worst catch rates in the NFL, the second most drops of any NFL receiver and Allen's passer rating plummeted when throwing to him and a ton of his INT's were created when throwing to Gabe.

Yep. People seem to forget that the Patriots finished ahead of the Jets in the AFC East last year..........despite Saleh declaring that his Jets would meet the Bills in the playoffs after they lost in Buffalo. And while the Bills and Dolphins have mostly had their way with the Patriots the past few seasons........the Jets haven't even won a single game against the Patriots since 2015 so I will believe they are better than the Patriots when they actually beat them in a football game.

Yeah and wrt to power to speed........I am probably a bit more optimistic about Epenesa than most because I am expecting that he will be a more powerful RDE this season after another offseason in the pass rusher body he was asked to transform into. I am glad they've hedged their bets significantly but expecting better from him this season either way.

The 1st and 2nd round picks haven't proven themselves as starters so far but they aren't rookies like Kincaid. They were playing in a SB and catching TD passes on the biggest stage when Kincaid was recovering from a back injury and unable to workout during the draft process. They should be ahead of him in their development. The Chiefs also just drafted Rashee Rice with the 24th pick in round 2. So the Chiefs have 3 high draft picks fighting for playing time while the Bills have just 1. Their high pedigree eggs aren't all in one basket. For veterans the Chiefs have Kelce and the faster version of Gabe Davis in Marquez Valdes-Scantling as options #1 and #3. Richie James is their healthier-recently version of Deonte Harty coming off a 560 yard season with 80% completion when targeted in 2022. Justin Watson is their version of Sherfield.

I agree with all of that I just think Mahomes is just a more naturally loose, fluid athlete. He's Mookie Betts.....a great player who can basically do anything that is asked of a player...........and Josh is Aaron Judge. But there just aren't any fences in the NFL to drive up Josh's value over that of Mahomes..........so Josh being bigger and stronger only matters if they are taking the same amount of punishment or HAVE to run as much. In 2020 when some scouts were projecting that Allen was going to become BETTER than Mahomes the Bills and Chiefs had more similar personnel quality at OL and receiving targets. The Chiefs realized that Mahomes was getting hit too much but wanted him to be able to continue to extend plays.........so they've gone HEAVY wrt stocking the OL for him so he can be the best he can be but take a fraction of the punishment that he would if he were extending plays with a middling OL. On paper, the Bills haven't tried the same with Josh. They haven't had the quality or depth of weapons or the quality of OL........along with the coaching advantage..........and I think that has stalled his development the past 2 years more than anything.

Rousseau lines up over the RT. Miller always preferred that side but played over the LT last year and he's so good it really doesn't matter. Floyd isn't quite the pass rusher that Miller is so I'm sure they'd prefer to get him some rushes against RT's. But I am thinking a "young" line of Rousseau-Poona-Oliver-Epenesa and an "old" line of Floyd-Jones-Phillips-Miller.

Likewise, Mahomes is probably only going to keep raising the bar. He's a hard worker and great athlete as well. I think the 10 points higher passer rating and 5% greater completion % in recent years and nearly a full yard better per pass attempt for their career is very indicative of the notable differences between Mahomes and Allen. I think Allen is going to need a bit more around him than Mahomes has just to even those numbers out or maybe be even better as a passer. It's why I have been on the Hopkins train even though I think what they have *could* be enough if a lot of less than likely things transpire.

All 3 of them seem to prefer to rush against the right side of the line.

I don't discount his ability to improve........if the conditions are conducive to doing so. But he has regressed as a passer since 2020. I think that's because he has had increasingly lesser receiving talent at his disposal in 2021 and then 2022........and lesser blocking..........and has subsequently had to run more and taken much more of a week-to-week beating. That wear and tear......including his second career UCL strain last year........is obviously going to impact his ability to improve to the level of fluidity and precision as a passer the way Mahomes is. I'm not sure the situation around him has improved enough to expect that this season.

Some of you, perhaps. But those of us who aren't too concerned with runnin' bax actually AREN'T concerned by the prospect of Cook going to the Dolphins. We know that individual RB quality/pedigree hasn't moved the needle on a teams SB hopes at all for about the last decade and mattered very little in the rest of the 2000's either.

You've clearly established that you know you aren't very intelligent by taking on the name Dopey. So I will explain to you what I meant in saying "you want to hear everything is going to be alright". I meant with regard to the team this season. Obviously. Unless you are saying you are certain that the Bills aren't going to win the SB this year. Which would be truly negative viewpoint of the team with the 3rd or 4th highest odds to do so(per Vegas), which I presume is not your feeling based on this super-whiny thread. This thread was just a really dumb decision on your part. It was only going to create A LOT more negativity. You lived up to your name with this one.

Good points for sure. He's great and exciting and deserves it. And he CAN do everything Mahomes can..........he just doesn't. He's just not as accurate and misses way too many throws that are easy/routine for Mahomes. Not sure there is anything he can do about that.........Mahomes arm talent is the greatest the NFL has ever seen. Not in terms of pure arm strength but the power combined with the touch and ability to throw from all angles, etc.. Josh can do it but not as consistently.

The most negative people are the one's who criticize the fans for having expectations. They live for that sh!t. Dopey might be developing into"that" guy. An irrational defender of all criticism of the shield. Which happens to be a multi-billion dollar business operation not some local HS kids playing for pride. Like "Promo the Robot" was for all those drought years. When the team started winning Promo lost all interest in TSW because there was far too much positivity to sift thru to get to his daily nut. He's big in Sabres discussion still though. 😂

You have the same anxiety about the Bills as the people that you are criticizing........probably a lot more, actually. You are just doing the wrong thing by taking it out on fellow fans who have nothing to do with the outcomes on the field. If you were at all well adjusted you would understand this. You clearly are not. If everything is awesome.........what is there to discuss? You come here because you want to be told everything is going to be alright and you aren't going to get that on a message board.

I removed Miami so that it's the CONSENSUS top 5 contenders according to the top Vegas sports books. But I see Miami as by far the top contender against the Bills in the AFC East. Doesn't change the point in any way whatsoever. The only one of the Vegas top 5 who doesn't have a proven much better #2 weapon option right now are the champs...........and they have a 2021 #1 pick and a 2022 #2 pick at receiver that have experience now and are expected to step up. I really liked the Kincaid pick.........but I'd put the chances of him hitting the ground running and being a top 25 NFL receiver as a rookie at closer to 10% than 20%. Those are bad odds when you need it NOW. Even Sammy Watkins.....handed WR1.......wasn't better as a rookie than Gabe was last year when Allens passer rating and interceptions thrown when targeting Gabe were huge disappointments.

Like I said.......you are trying to declare that the guy who was the #2 target last year isn't LIKELY to be the #2 target this year despite the team adding nobody who has ever produced anything close to that level in the NFL. Sherfield and Harty(53) combined for 1 more target than Devin Singletary(52) last year. Their career high seasons in targets wouldn't have cracked the top 4 for the Bills last year. Their track record is as WR 4-7 for their teams over their careers...........expecting any of them to become a top 25 NFL receiving target next year is pretty absurd. And that is the bar. Here is where 4 of the top 6 SB contenders this year ranked in #1/#2 target receiving yards last year: KC Kelce 8th Smith-Schuster 24th Phil AJ Brown 4th DeVonta Smith 9th Cin Ja'Marr Chase 17th (but missed 4 games and was 7th in yards per game) Tee Higgins 20th San Francisco isn't listed because they are much more run heavy but Deebo, McCaffrey, Kittle and Aiyuk(22nd in receiving yards fwiw) are generally regarded as the best group of offensive weapons in the NFL. Buffalo by comparison had Diggs at #5 and Davis at #33..........but #33 with a huge asterisk because he was at the bottom of the league in completion % and the second most drops among all receivers in the league. That's why people want Gabe UPGRADED and moved to option #3 or later........and a bunch of new faces with paltry or zero NFL production in their careers are HIGHLY UNLIKELY to become that top 25 level of player. You wouldn't say for sure?? 😂 This is exactly why your points are getting argued. Your expectations for a journeyman addition who missed almost the entire season last year is thru the roof.

I literally saw someone in WNY do that to their property a few years ago........but with spray paint. @BillsFanForever19 likes to keep the goal posts moving. We all hope Kincaid becomes a 100+ target option and catches 70% of those targets.........basically playing like a seasoned veteran, top 10 kinda' #2 option. But no Bills 1st round rookie has hit the ground running and produced all season from start to finish like that since Tre White.........and before that you probably have to go back to Lee Evans in 2004 to find a Bills 1st rounder who had a BETTER year than the kind of season Gabe Davis did last year(when he was a disappointment as WR2). It's a big ask from a SB contending team facing probably their toughest schedule to date.

Gabriel Davis had almost 50% more passes thrown his way than the 3rd most targeted receiving option for the Bills last year. By ANY definition he was the second option in the Bills passing game. I think you are clearly the one who is confused about labels.

I gotta' say..........if they needed ex-pat Bills fans for the cover photo with Allen they couldn't have picked a better group than the Bills fans at Busby's in Santa Monica. I met @Kelly the Dog there for the 2014 game versus Minnesota and the energy in that place during the game was as close to being in the stadium as you could get. The place was electric even when it was a mostly lousy, boring effort by the Bills until the dramatic finish.

The best part of the MLB season is here............when all of the teams for every organization are playing games from June thru the end of August or early September. Here is a link to some of the top 17-20 year old Yankees prospects playing in the short season Florida Coast and Dominican Summer Leagues: https://www.pinstripealley.com/2023/6/8/23753365/yankees-rookie-league-prospects-top-arias-delgado-serna-montero-lagrange-lalane-urena-mayea-gonzalez You can track all of the daily the box scores in the Yankees organization thru the link in the original post. Keiner Delgado is a very short middle infielder with Altuve-like traits and power.....but as a switch hitter. Roderick Arias SS was the top international prospect in the world a couple years ago.........also a switch hitter who has drawn comps to Francisco Lindor Brandon Mayea was the Yanks top organizational signee in the last signing period and is a very fast right handed hitting CF whose bat has drawn comps to Gary Sheffield. These guys all gotta' prove they can control the strike zone and identify and hit breaking pitches etc........but on the hoof the Yanks lower minors are exceptionally talented. Their very top prospects in A and AA are guys like 2022 and 2021 1st rounders Spencer Jones and Trey Sweeney along with Yanks #1 prospect Jasson Dominguez........and they all bring a lot of power from the left side(Dominguez is a switch hitter) and are showing flashes of great skill......but have far too many strikeouts to be very close to the majors, IMO. More advanced prospects like Austin Wells (C), Oswald Peraza and out-of-options Estevan Florial are having very big seasons and may all spend time in the majors(again for Peraza) this season.

Yeah but his boy Gabriel Davis is in his walk year so I wouldn't expect Allen to be making a plea thru the media for Hopkins to join the team. Gotta' keep it measured. If Hopkins comes to the Bills......especially knowing their slot WR plans for Kincaid..........the potential for lost targets could be enormous. If they are cut in half as option 3A or 3B it could knock 8 figures off of his next contract. So Gabe might be miffed about his QB Allen going out of his way to push the Hopkins agenda. And what would that say about JA17's confidence in Gabe if he is saying the Bills need/badly want Hopkins? I really don't see where Allen would be wise to say anymore than he did regardless of the interest or likelihood of Hopkins joining the Bills.

The Bills made the playoffs in 2019 but largely because of an incredibly easy schedule of tomato can QB's they got to face. It was incredibly fortuitous how many backup QB's they got to face and they were only a win better than the McDermott 2017 team that was the worst point differential team to make the playoffs in the AFC since the 1980's. Remember Duck Hodges? Allen was a curiosity to NFL observers because of his athleticism, arm strength and balls-out style of play..........but the idea that he was on a path to being a top passer was seen as absurd. The NFL had never seen a two year starter going from being a 50-something% passer to completing nearly 70% of his passes and becoming the runner up for MVP. Critics were absolutely losing their minds about how Allen had gone from scattergun to GREAT over night in 2020. I pointed it out earlier, to the protestation of a few, but he WAS what Justin Fields is now and his 2020 would be the equivalent of Fields emerging as a top 3 QB and runner-up to the MVP in 2023.

Yeah Josh Allen was the 24th rated passer in the NFL in 2019. Kirk Cousins was 4th. Diggs had excelled with Cousins and was their leading WR in target share and yards in 2019 and had almost 18 yards per reception. It was the equivalent of Tee Higgins leaving Joe Burrow to play with Justin Fields by 2023 standards. The idea that Buffalo was suddenly a destination for WR's is totally false.

Then he got the extension and his attitude and behavior got so much better! Championship!

Yeah he played very well last year and his play was notable in their win over the Bills. PFF recently had a story about their top 32 interior defenders for 2023......and Harrison is on there. The Bills project to have 3 of the top 32. So we like PFF in this article. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-interior-defender-rankings-2023-nfl-season