starrymessenger

Absolutely. And it’s not the first time he has run his mouth like that, notably after last years championship game. Allen would never do that. Would take it upon himself or the team as a whole, but no specific player or position group. Allen clearly has better intangibles and that actually counts for something, sometimes quite a lot when it comes to team chemistry. Mahomes looks to have regressed to training camp 2018. At least he got paid. Chiefs aren’t going anywhere with that D. They are still a dangerous team but it’s starting to look like only any given Sunday dangerous. TB figured them out. Drop the safeties, take away the big play and the Chiefs are just not good enough to sustain long drives consistently enuf. And I suspect it’s only going to get worse this year as the season progresses all other things being equal. I’m actually a little surprised that it took as long as it did for opposing DCs to adjust.

And two bad penalties in what should have been the go ahead drive at the end of the game. Just brutal.

Is he regressing? Back to 2018 training camp?

His teammates must hate Mahomes. How many pics have bounced off his receivers.

Most of the guys who might have been possible trade targets seem to line up on the right side. I would have inquired about AJ Cann but he now been injured. When I look at our deficient run blocking a guy who comes to mind is one Wyatt Teller. He plays now on the right side but before Cleveland he was always a left guard. What with Mayfield (and others) having to get paid and Chubb signing a new deal, Teller is not getting an extension,. He’s maybe the top run blocking guard in the league and his pass pro is much improved since he played here. He is going to be a free agent. Too bad the Browns have not totally crapped out yet. Also their remaining schedule is pretty soft. To me he should be a priority FA. I’d welcome him back. We maybe think of him as more a power/man type but the Browns actually run a zone scheme. I think he’d actually be fine next to Morse.

Yeah id say thats pretty obvious.

Right. Didn’t Fitz throw for 300 and 3 tds as a rookie in his first game way back when? I’m glad MW had a good game and Saleh is liking him. A team with 2 QBs don’t have a quarterback. Jets gonna Jet.

Right. He’s our best running back after all.

Sure, but are not bottom feeders anymore. We are competing to be the best.

I perhaps chose my words poorly. Of course they would not care and neither should we. What I do intend however is that given a choice I’d rather see him in the lineup than not. Why? Because to be the best you need to beat the best imo. Its a purely selfish instinct. Nothing generous about that sentiment. I want to play him to beat him. If/when we play them sans Henry and beat then I’ll feel pretty good. If we beat them with Henry I’ll feel even better and if I need to take on more risk to get there (which would surely be the case) l’m game for that. I mean, should we feel even that much better if Julio, Brown and Tanny all go down? Why not go play a JV team.

Oh I would definitely take the win and run with it obviously. What I’m saying is if I had a choice of playing them with or without Henry I’d rather take on their best. I take no pleasure or derive any comfort from seeing great players go down - even if it improves my chances. How ‘bout you?

What about the way we use Allen? You give it your best shot and hope for the best. Henry is a year round Jerry Rice type training fanatic and he has not been injury prone. Mostly bad luck to me. Stuff happens.

Judon is going crazy. Wish he were a Bill.

Not me. I’d rather beat their best if we wind up having to go through Tennessee. If they are better so be it. How good could an opponent feel beating the Bills if Allen had to sit out?

Brown and Jones are great but the Titans O-line is not good in pass pro. Without Henry that O is a Buick without a motor imo.

Sorry to hear this. Hope it’s not season ending. Scary as he is I’d much rather see him play than sit. There are plenty of good backs in the league but only a few true franchise players. He’s the best.

I like Jones a lot. He is no Josh Allen (who is?) but he’s going to be a quality starting calibre QB imo.

Looks to me like he’s starting to come into his own. It usually takes awhile. Jets fans were ready to trade that bust Q. Williams after his first year and a half in the league. Not so much now.

Yeah, like that guy Nelson for example. Whenever I get to see them I focus on him. Great guard play is a beautiful thing. I can see why he went 6 overall.

I guess some of those folks did not see Allen after the game with his arms around Tua giving the kid some encouragement. By and large the players don’t hate one another.

He would have been a good get back in the day instead of that guy Hardy. We were in the market for a WR anyway. Jerry Rice told everybody DeShaun was going to be good.

It looks like we are entering into something of a golden age of exceedingly talented young QBs. In the last four years what looks to me to be an unusually large number of them have entered the league. Its not just the number but also the raw skill level (raw because all rooks, especially QBs are raw). My impression is that for the many years that the Bills and other QB needy teams were scouring the college ranks fewer bona fides franchise prospects were coming into the league. In recent years a plethora of talented players have shown up with “franchise” stamped on their foreheads. Each of them gives every indication of being the real deal. It makes no sense to limit discussion to just Allen and PM. I agree with those who say that Allen is the most physically gifted player at the position. That has always been my opinion. Before the draft in checking out what tape there was, the dominance of his physical skills was absolutely startling (esp his arm strength- I didn’t think I had ever seen anything quite like it). He was clearly the most dominant player on the field. Ok so it’s WYO. But the thing is he continued to flash as the most physically dominant player once he became a starter as the rawest of rookies. The Anthony Barr hurdle is a good but not unique illustration. Its true to say, I believe, that Allen has continued to progress year over year so far while PM appears to have plateaud. Mind you it’s also possible that PM does not have as many things to improve on to get better. Somebody like Zero who sees him all the time might be able to say what, if anything , he still has to work on. As has been pointed out, Allen sometimes lacks touch on certain of his throws. I’m not overly concerned. When people said Allen was not accurate there was something about that I found incongruous with reality because going all the way to his college tape there was plenty of examples of him making precise throws with excellent ball placement as well as anticipation. Its just that he wasn’t doing it consistently. I think that last year we saw plenty of evidence of him making accurate passes, sometimes really incredibly accurate throws. To me this is relevant to the touch issue and probably also to the timing with receivers relative to the long ball. The reason is that unless I’ve been dreaming I’ve seen him make difficult throws requiring great touch, its just that he needs to do it with greater consistency. So just as his general accuracy has improved with better mechanics, I expect his finesse throws to improve as well (and his long ball accuracy). Mind you, it’s always been a mystery to me why some guys struggle hitting a back who is standing 5-10 yards away from them. Lossman had that problem. I’m told that those tosses are actually more difficult to make than they appear and really require the right footwork. As a running QB, Allen is probably second only to Lamar. As a passer I don’t think overall any of the younger QBs are better and most are not in the same area code. Lamar in particular isn’t half bad at all but he is limited in arm strength and not nearly in Allen’s class. Burrow is not a threat to run with ball. Mahomes is a smart runner who can definitely help himself out with his legs, but unlike Lamar and Allen he doesn’t offer the same possibility for breaking a game wide open rushing the ball. Burrow is not a weapon in the run game. Herbert is mobile but again designed runs are not a part of his game and not a feature of the offence the Chargers are operating. He’s not in any event as fast as Allen nor are his reactions in space as quick. Mayfield is strictly a passer. To my surprise the only other young QB who may be capable of offering an OC the same menu of options as Allen is Murray, but he’s small and therefore possibly more injury prone. In any event, he cannot because of his stature run with the same power and authority as Allen. And there is something else that I think separates Allen from the rest of the field and it is this: the best way to shut down any QB , is to get in his face. Thats what the Bucs did to PM in last years championship of course. However Allen has great escapability, can punish you as a runner and can throw with zip and accuracy while on the run to absolutely any spot on the field, including the opposite side. Once forced outside the pocket that’s what he’s always looking to do. So a play that starts to look like a disaster for the Bills winds up being a backbreaker for the opposition. Nobody in the game is better able to do that than Allen. There are other things to consider of course eg the ability to make pre and post snap reads, to audiblize accordingly when necessary, to go through progressions etc… Apparently Herbert and Burrow both do this very well but I can remember many instances of Allen doing it very well too. I don’t think I would give them the advantage but I can’t be sure about that because I don’t see those guys very much. I like Allen,s intangibles and leadership a bit more than Mahomes. Again there are probably others in the group with those skills but I find it hard to imagine that they would be ahead of Allen in that department. All in all I’m pretty satisfied with what we’ve got.

Agree. I don't actually think coach had much of a choice. What message does it communicate when you take the ball out of Josh Allen's hands in a situation like that. Would signal a total lack of confidence in your centerpiece player.

OP is right. Bills O has not yet settled in. Perhaps to be expected early on. When it all comes together later this year its gonna be awesome.

Their D is historically bad right now. They had no chance.