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Really dude? No he wasn't but your defeatist logic doesn't apply. Every pick every draft every player is its own entity with an opportunity to be succesful or a failure. I don't care that the ut lineman didn't work I still wanted orakpo. It goes along with the failed qb first rounders akili smith, tim couch, jamarcus have no bearing whatsoever on whether luck, newton, or any other pick (I like moore from bsu but another topic for another thread) will be succesful. However the opportunity to be succesful will be much higher the higher you pick because of the amount of choices you have.

I apologize and thank you for correcting me. I too remember many useless wins costing us players (as mentioned previously big ben and p willis stick out). Meaningless wins help less next august then a better pick in april will sums up my point.

So disgusted reading this. How can ppl honestly not see having a higher pick is a good thing! They give higher picks to worse teams so they have a chance to improve. Ppl routinely talk about trading down but why oh why would teams want those high picks according to ppl on this board it means nothing. Yes losing on purpose is not only unethical but also unprofessional for these paid athletes but come on people! A loss helps this team way more than a win. Back to last year we could have drafted okung if we didn't beat the colts. Yes the draft is a crapshoot... with much improved chances the higher you pick. How can people not see this!?

The team that beat us but still picked ahead of us with the same record was the niners. All along I've wanted the bills to win every Sunday... except this week. Seriously the ppl in the win every week prob agree but if not look at the above post mentioning how much it takes to move up. This is a meaningless game to win that would do nothing but hurt this team long term. This alone may be motivation for the jets to play the jv squad. Can't believe I'm saying this but I hope the bills lose this week (wow that hurts to say)

Time to start rooting for the lions panthers cards niners and all the other teams in the bottom half of the league. Throughouly disgusted with this team right now. This is how far we are from being competitive..............

This is one of my favorite things about this staff... seems every week we are making changes to our ps and shuffling players in and out. I billieve they are bringing in talent and treating it accordingly. Show something and get elevated to the 53 show nothing and get the door. Rebuilding in year 1 is about evaluating talent and I feel comfortable that this happens regularly, no more gibran for years just bc he fills a roster spot! (Btw I'm not hating on him personally just the way the bills USED to do business)

Merry christmas all! Hope your weekend is filled with cheer especially at 4:15 tomorrow when we are all celebrating a bills win over the pats* or a better draft pick d/t a loss... me I'll take the w! Happy holidays!

Thank you I'm going to get them to send to my friends. Merry christmas!

I received a txt from verizon saying I could get bills video cards from either fitz or donte. Did anyone actually get these? Do they cost extra money? I have a smart phone with unlimited txt. Any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks!

I'm just happy they're actually showing a positive bills highlight instead of the usual bumbling bills. Also now this week we can hear about harvard fitzpatrick underated williams and qb killer moats! Seriously though great player great career and hung on one year to long can't blame him and was glad to watch him get beat in the ralph with a pick worth millions.

Just across the bottom line favre out tonight.

All the links that work are easily attainable by simply googling the game. Noone needs to post anything and the nfl can monitor that instead of forums to see where fans are watching.

Yep your right and the league instituted the rule right after.

I believe the league instituted the penalty a few years ago bc of warren sapp. He laid out I believe a qb after a pick that was nowhere near the play. After that it became a penalty to hit players not involved in the play. I have to believe this was why the penalty was called.

Iirc if their is a lockout the draft will happen before free agency this year so there won't be any signings ahead of time.

First I think anyone who is a fan of this team would take those dirty players if it came along with the two super bowls they won Secondly I wasn't talking about whether or not harrison should have been fined simply that fighting is much worse for the game than that hit Thirdly the size difference btwn finnegan and johnson is nothing to sneeze at although I recognize finnegan is noted for being dirty the punishments hardly match up imo. Finally do you really think that johnson would not have been suspended if it wasn't right before a huge nfl network game that probably becomes a laugher if he doesn't play? Or if this game had no playoff implication? Imo he would have been... would this behavior have been tolerated from a bills lions browns panthers etc player? Favorite new tag line and it fits.... come on man!

I think he makes valid points. Andre johnson got fined 25k for throwing three haymakers while harrison got fined 25k for what last year (or even earlier this year) would have been a legal hit. The nfl is very hypocritical and kudos to ward for saying such.

I have to say I don't blame any college athlete that takes money. The rules and guidelines for employment and money making opportunities are extremely limited for the athletes that make millions for the schools and ncaa. I have no problem with a player "getting his" when given the opportunity, as you never know when the gravy train will end. Btw I understand they are given a full ride worth upwards of 40k a year however education is not neccesarily the top priority for a majority of these athletes that get paid. Biding their time until they can turn pro is.

This However matt millen (nfl network) is way worse imho

He clearly says thanks tho at the end of the tweet... not to compare the two because they're not even close... jesus questions god while on the cross. And come on no one in their living room said any variation of "oh my god! Why!" I know I did and one of my friends responded cause your a bills fan that's why!

Concur williams was unblockable and I think they felt bad calling repeated holding on him. That said the o line for the steelers is not very good and unless they figure it out I think were going to see them slip a little. Secondary calls are always hit or miss and don't make me as mad but throughout the game their line was holding on what seemed like every play!

Preparing to get called a homer that knows nothing about football on this one but... This offense is exciting for the first time in a long time, the head coach has a pulse and seems to be adept at building effective gameplans, fitz has taken control of this team (whether you believe in his skills you can't question his leadership), and the d has improved since the switch back to a 43 (kelsay most noticeably - terrible lb better de)

So after reading this entire thread I am left with a few questions I wouldn't mind some answers to 1. Who besides luck fits your guys description of a franchise qb? Mallet? Ponder? Locker? 2. With what pick would you be willing to take said franchise qb with? Top 5? top 10? 3. Who do you feel is better than fitz or will be better than fitz? 4. Will we realistically have a chance to draft this qb with what is looking to be a pick in the 4-10 range?

Marcel derious! He's a beast! And please stop all this trade down talk buddy makes picks 1 minute into their time he doesn't work on trading down lol.

I was talking with coworkers about this topic yesterday and I explained my feelings as this. From the time I wake up on Sunday until the game is over I am convinced the bills will win and root for that to happen. If they lose the sting is not there as I remember it just helps their draft position and I feel that way all week until I wake up Sunday morning. I never ever root in game for them to lose I just don't mind as much this year when they do when its all said and done. In previous years back to back ot losses would have crushed me (the kc one still did) but not so much this year. I don't believe chan and buddy are tanking on purpose but I do believe they are evaluating talent this year and not worrying about wins and losses. Seeing who has passion, desire, work ethic, and talent to go forward on this team in order to build a long term winner!