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I can see kalil and barkley coming out not so sure about thomas but just sayin they are all possibilities. But I can't disagree about jones he fits nixs mold - he's from the south haha.

Very true but their is years of film from him as coach of carolina and dc of the giants for a scheme perspective. I just think it is/was a dangerous approach to go into an nfl game basically blind. I just hope whatever they were evaluating they figured out what they were looking for.

I like your optimism and I share some of your beilefs but my tank is starting to run dry. The only part I don't get is when you say if optimism leaves the bills are the clippers... I think they already are the clippers with an owner who cares more about money, a failure to retain homegrown talent, and a complete lack of playoff success and appearances.

Okay ill play... I thought kalil(sp?) From usc was the no. 1 rated ot. Also barkley, landry jones, tannenhill could all be rated top 10 next year is a great year to need and get a qb. Darron thomas, kellen moore, as well as others are in the second tier but may move up in consideration. Has to has to has to be a qb for us please! Then ot in the 2nd, and poss again in the 3rd. If last year was all d this year has to try and fix the o!

I understand running base defenses I really do. What I don't understand is not watching any film and preparing for your opponent. It seems not watching film doesn't put players in a position to succeed. They will watch film in the regular season so how much evaluation can be done when preparation is different regardless of schemes that are run?

Wow fitz is bad Bell is bad Our wrs are bad Our secondary is terrible I hope that shot gets the bills mad and they wake up out there. It will be really tough for me to read the its only preseason you can't read to much into it posts. And right on cue int for fitz

Orton is better imo.

And were playing a team that drafted higher than us!

I hope the starting o comes out again. They are not looking good at all. Then again no one save for dareus has stood out to me. Scratch that spillers run after the catch showed a lot of heart as well.

Secondary and o line have not looked god so far. I hope they keep the starters in longer to give them extra work. Its preseason for the refs too don't forget the holds on the screen play and then calling mcgahee down (or stopped momentum) the play before he scored. Can we please stop commercial breaks after kickoffs if they're just gonna keep going out of the end zone?!

O line looks bad... why does the announcer keep saying peers I thought it was pears and he blamed millers sack on him when it came from the other side of the line. Bell got beat bad on that play.

Is it strange to anyone else but me that this story breaks on the same day as the vick thing... until merriman gets suspended or the league comments on it I don't much care about it. I do def care very strongly about the vick case and think its going to be covered by this story which is a shame.

I hope your right but man do I have a bad feeling about it.

I'm thinking its that they will be making a play for pryor. The extra 4th they picked up for lee would soften the blow as he's thought to go in the 4 or 5 range. Hope not but I wouldn't be suprised if this is what happens. Would prefer it to be an extra 1st for the vick bs tho!

If your in the syracuse area he's on 801 (hd) which is msg plus on an hour delay from 10-1. Also gotta say its a great show. This and john ditullio are the 2 I enjoy the most.

Had this conversation with a friend last week. The pats are a beneficiary of playing in an extremely weak division. The bills and dolphins have been bad for a while save for the dolphins one 11-5 season. The jets also have been mediocre. Yes they've made the afc championship game 2 years running but only after eking into the playoffs. I think the jets got worse this year not better and would be suprised to see them in the playoffs. Saying that its still the pats division to lose imo but they are not an elite team imo. They haven't won't a playoff game the last 3 years let alone made even an afc championship game/super bowl.

I gotta say after being there I got nervous about the offense. That being said they did scramble a lot of the pl-ers around and I thought snith ran a pretty good 2 minute drill. Fitz I hope stayed after bc he wasn't pleased with his performance his accuracy was fairly shaky. D looked pretty good esp a willians and d flo seemed to be everywhere. This was my first time seeing dareus and I was very impressed. Awesome job tho mrags as someone who only comes on and posts from my droid I know what a pain it can be.

The pick was by a williams and was very sinilar to the one he had Saturday. I was suprised but the d looked like it domanted 7 on 7 however levi was qb for a lot of it.

Yes my mistake I watched the game with no volume last night @ a bar so when cutler came out I thought all the starters came out. It wasn't. Until I watched it on dvr this morning that I saw that. Thank you for pointing it out so kindly.... That said back to my original point I am very intrigued to see a 303lb linebacker. I would assume hell rush more than drop and it'll be more a part of their hybrid d but wow that is an impressive feat if he can pull it off.

Playing devils advocate here but on that chip block for some reason maybin was in the air which is why it looked like he got pancaked. Williams def got the tackle on that long return with maybin coming in at the end but not contributing to it.

Not for nothing but their starters played about 7 plays. I was interested to see this lb experiment and was pleasantly suprised with the results. It will be interesting to see if he can do it against starter level talent but he wasn't really given the opportunity to last night.

Did my best to transcribe for those that missed it: Talked about players gained thigpen, smith, barnett but no mention of dareus. Mentioned losing whitner, pp, and stroud. 1. How much will losing pp hurt? Golic says barnett not the tackler pp is but a good fill in. Says their d was bad and they just lost players ( no mention of draft heavy on d) greeny says while maybe it wasn't bad to lose players from such a bad d. 2. Is fitz the right qb? Golic doesn't like his completion % and says he likes depth @ wr and fitz isn't bad. Greeny says he's a good example of low expectaions - if he was a first rnd pick he'd be a bust but bc he's from harvard ppl give him a chance. 3. Will they use spiller more in run game? Golic says yes more of a split. Greeny compares pick to reggie bush as a flashy unneccesary pick and doesn't know why they drafted him and golic agreed. 4. What kind of role will brad smith play? Golic says same as jets calls him jack of all trade master of none. Greeny calls him special teams ace and says lots of jets fans felt he was underutilized in ny. 5. How many wins? Golic says they will have a hard time winning as many as last year and greeny defends them saying they we so close in so many games both settle at 5-11 and liams mum goes 8-8. Afterwards they talk with chris carter and greeny says he could see them surpassing the dolphins and out of the basement and they have more talent then dolphins carter disagrees. Carter somewhat disses the wrs says stevie working into top ten but not much after that but gives fitz a lot of credit. Says their biggest problem is division they play in. Schefter again tweeting lee to be gone soon possibly.

Nothing to set the world on fire here... Talked about players gained thigpen, smith, barnett but no mention of dareus. Mentioned losing whitner, pp, and stroud. 1. How much will losing pp hurt? Golic says barnett not the tackler pp is but a good fill in. Says their d was bad and they just lost players ( no mention of draft heavy on d) greeny says while maybe it wasn't bad to lose players from such a bad d. 2. Is fitz the right qb? Golic doesn't like his completion % and says he likes depth @ wr and fitz isn't bad. Greeny says he's a good example of low expectaions - if he was a first rnd pick he'd be a bust but bc he's from harvard ppl give him a chance. 3. Will they use spiller more in run game? Golic says yes more of a split. Greeny compares pick to reggie bush as a flashy unneccesary pick and doesn't know why they drafted him and golic agreed. 4. What kind of role will brad smith play? Golic says same as jets calls him jack of all trade master of none. Greeny calls him special teams ace and says lots of jets fans felt he was underutilized in ny. 5. How many wins? Golic says they will have a hard time winning as many as last year and greeny defends them saying they we so close in so many games both settle at 5-11 and liams mum goes 8-8. Afterwards they talk with chris carter and greeny says he could see them surpassing the dolphins and out of the basement and they have more talent then dolphins carter disagrees. Carter somewhat disses the wrs says stevie working into top ten but not much after that but gives fitz a lot of credit. Says their biggest problem is division they play in. Schefter again tweeting lee to be gone soon possibly.

I believe the interest was in brian waters who was their pro bowl guard.

I gotta say that is tough picking. I would imagine paul tagliabue and bill parcells will eat up 2 of the 5 spots and with carter, brown, and reed they might split the votes on themselves and keep each other out. There are a lot of good players on that list however a name that stood out to me was terrell davis I thought when he retired he hadn't accrued enough years to be eligible or is it only baseball with a play time minimum? He was great but only 6 years in the league might keep him out (imo he's not worthy as pretty much anyone who ran on denver put up good numbers)