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You may or may not know that I am a Manuel fan. I banged the drum for him to get a chance, that the reports of his demise were greatly exaggerated. I argued with many posters who definitively proclaimed he would never be any good. I was ecstatic to see him play so well this preseason and EARN a spot on the roster. Nobody can say he didn't look much improved this preseason. I still believe he can be a very good qb in this league. Now that I have said that I am going to ask for one thing (pie in the sky dream incoming).... Support Tyrod with all of your might. Don't call for his benching after a bad pass, a bad series, or even a bad game. Don't turn into the type of poster we have had to rally against in defense of EJ. Tyrod is the starter and hopefully he proves to be the franchise qb we have all been looking for since Jimbo. I know the backup qb is the most popular guy cliche but please don't be those fans. Especially since Cassel is supposedly the number 2. We are 4 days away from the most exciting season in a while! Please don't turn into the posters we have rallied against for so long. Enjoy the ride, hope Tyrod is everything we want him to be (starting him over Stafford in a free fantasy league!), and be a Bills fan first! Lets go Bills!!!!!

Yup I built my team around his 5k salary. Tyrod is worth a stash as a backup qb. If he lights it up then you've got a steal. I wouldn't go into the season without a contingency plan.

Who would you have preferred? I honestly can't believe this is anyone's reaction after this preseason?

Yup! I'm very pleased with this. If EJ was named the starter the first bad pass he had everyone would have been calling for his head. If he is the backup (should be with his play) he can continue to progress under Roman and has the ability to not have a huge letdown for the team in case of injury to Taylor. This is best case scenario for the Bills. Cassel was only there in case the other 2 stunk and it was quite the opposite. Cheers to all 3 guys for playing well this preseason and making the conversation a positive which of these guys do we choose instead of a negative which of these guys is the best of a bad bunch.

Stop it with the Pats* He is way too old to get signed there. Unless he takes a tremendous discount to go there he will not be a cheatriot. I honestly don't know if he goes anywhere. I have long thought he wouldn't make it out of training camp but with all of the injuries I then came around to thinking it was possible. His long run on the first play against the steelers showed that he has gotten very slow. This is a sad day indeed.

Rapid reactions... 12 hours later haha 10. I'm an admitted ej fan and it was great not only to see him perform but also to see him rise to the challenge. He was lights out throwing darts yesterday. 7. I'm gonna miss hearing about Coe college every game. It has become such a staple! However that was the slowest 41 yard run maybe ever. One of the best parts of acquiring shady is fred will not need to over work his body. Hopefully he can go out with a playoff win to end his career.

I wanted to start a thread about it but I guess this as good a place as any. Is there anyone who wants cassel? In a prefer him over the other 2 kind of way? After watching the preseason and reading practice reports I just can't see anyone having Hine as their number 1.

Biggest day of ej Manuel's career! Let's see what he's got!

Bah gawd king that's ej Manuel's music!

Cockrell is a good name as well. Starting to look like Mike Evans is going to get the last laugh

Suprise: Deonte Thompson. A who guy to me that seemingly gets brought up every day for making a great play Disappointment: Sticking with the WR it is Hogan for me. I thought last year the light really came on. The catch against the Vikings was clutch and showed toughness. This year the reports have him suffering the dropsies.

IIRC he was kind of left hanging by Rex and co before they decided to part ways and it was late in the game to get a gig. Do you really think he didn't do a great job last year?

Ryan Grigson might be one of the worst gms in all of football. He lucked into a franchise qb and his job is safe. Even though the majority of his free agent signings are busts, his draft picks aren't anything to write home about, and he has been absolutely destroyed in trades (1st for T-Rich on top of Hughes for Shephard). His job though is perfectly safe. "Being a GM in the NFL is hard"

There is the metz we like. Even though we have disagreed I think this is your best post on the subject. Even if it came 2 days after you said you were swearing off posting about him until September 13th As for the first bolded comment: Cassel's ceiling in this league was reached 5 years ago. To me he is on the decline. If it is CLOSE I would prefer EJ/Tyrod to Cassel. I am in the anyone but Cassel camp more due to the fact that him winning means the season will not go will imo, him winning means the young "potential" guys didn't show as well as a league scrub, him winning puts us in the need a qb sooner rather than later and another year of our defense was wasted. If he wins I will root like hell for him and have said as much multiple times. I just hope it isn't him. To the second bolded: Amen. If he is to be any good he should be beating out Matt Cassel. Cassel showed much better than expected in game 1. All 3 of them did. I am hopeful for EJ and hopeful that he does indeed beat out Cassel because well Cassel sucks

The bets won't be called into question. It is sports entertainment and at this point it is getting closer to wwe than anything else. That said this is just like a cheating spouse. If you take them back you are giving them carte blanche to do it again.

So sick of JW's anti md stance! Jokes aside I really hope this gets worked out. Pure conjecture on my part but Dareus seems like the kind of guy who would be distracted by this. On the flip side, being taken care I think would help his play tremendously. 6 years 100 million doesn't seem that bad to me for what he brings. Probably Bills fan bias but he is at least close to as good as suh is minus the baggage and at least close to as good as McCoy. He has to be in consideration for top dt in the league definitely top 5.

I think you guys missed my sarcasm. The study first off was done with 100 players (out of 1500 that is a ridiculously low sample size) and then the numbers were trumpeted by WEO saying that the players in the league didn't even care or think they were cheaters. He did side step 4merper4mer's brilliant posting though naming a bunch of different teams asking if players would think x team (rams, cardinals, etc..) would be that high. This is old news but continues to put dents in the reputation of the pats*** (how many are they up to now?)

Yeah but only 42% of the players think they cheat! That's not even half!

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just don't get it. First Metz you are embarrassing yourself. This 'trolling' or extreme sarcasm don't fit your normal very good contributions to this board. Here is what else I don't get. I am probably one of the biggest Cassel bashers here. I just don't see him leading the Bills to anything special. That said he played great during the game. 7 of 8 was a great showing by him. Even the incompletion could have been caught as it wasn't too far off target. TT played well. EJ played well. Why is it so hard for some to give EJ any credit? He played well and threw a beautiful td strike on a rope 50 yards. I thought all 3 qbs played well. Even though I don't care for Cassel I can give him credit for performing well. So going back a few pages those that asked how we can say that some people want to be right more than anything else. This is why. Give all 3 guys credit. I would wager we couldn't find a single person on this board that doesn't feel better about the qb situation now than they did Friday morning. Isn't it a good thing that all 3 played well and that is making the decision difficult instead of all 3 sucking and the coaches having to figure out which one sucked least?

Didn't chris Williams get cut?

One of those good for a beer or 2 but can't drink them all night. They do taste amazingly like root beer though!

Nope it doesn't. TT and EJ both provide hope that they can be good quality effective qbs in this league. I have no hope with Cassel. I don't buy the idea that a guy was good 7 years ago on a stacked team so he can do it again. As I said in the TT thread though. If he is named starter I will convince myself otherwise because I am a Bills fan and that is what we do!

I hate this. Yes he made the Pro Bowl. I will give you that. 7 years ago he made the lone pro bowl of his career. Playing on a team that average 38.6 point per game the year before and set all sorts of records. Playing QB for a team that almost went undefeated the year before. He led them to 25.6 ppg which was almost 2 tds a game worse than the year before. So the gap from Tom Brady to Matt Cassel is 5 wins and 13 points per game....

Yeah its Friday lol... http://www.nfl.com/player/kyleorton/2506444/situationalstats Same crappy format and I should add the caveat that both of these are 2014 only. 1st Half 220 141 64.1 2nd Half 227 146 64.3 1st Quarter 100 68 68.0 2nd Quarter 120 73 60.8 3rd Quarter 99 67 67.7 4th Quarter 128 79 61.7 Last Two Minutes of Half 59 36 61.0