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The only bad thing in doing that research is that it seems on years he has more than one pick in the second one of them ends up being a home run lol.

They got a bust and a very late second round pick for Chandler Jones. If Dante Scarnecchia (sp?) can work his magic maybe this will be a good deal for the pats*. In the short term they definitely got worse. Here are the Pats* second round picks lately too... 2015 Jordan Richards (Reach - inactive a lot) 2014 Jimmy Garrapolo (meh) 2013 Jamie Collins (Big Hit) 2013 Aaron Dobson (bust) 2012 Tavon Wilson (bust) 2011 Ras-I Dowling (bust) 2011 Shane Vereen (3rd down back not re-signed) 2010 gronk (big hit) 2010 Jermaine Cunningham (miss) 2010 Brandon Spikes 2009 Pat Chung (hit) 2009 Ron Brace (miss) 2009 Darius Butler (miss) 2008 Terrence Wheatley (miss) 2006 Chad Jackson (miss) So in the last 10 years they have 8 misses, 3 big hits, 2 contributors, and 2 non contributors. Add in the fact that it is a very late 2nd and I don't think this is the great deal for NE some believe. Yup so if he plays extremely well he will also cost a chunk to re-sign. Not nearly as much as Jones but if his career gets resurrected it will still cost them some coin.

Bust - Myles Jack. I get that he is an amazing athlete but the lack of experience at the position and the injury history scare me.

I stand by my assertion that Sanborn struggled mightily last year and that had a lot to do with missed xps. Add in that he had an inexperienced holder and I don't put it all on Carpenter.

This irony in this post. Where was Hogan drafted? How did the Bills acquire him?

31 teams there. I wonder who missed it and for what reason? Seems strange that a team would skip...

No less than 2 times in this thread have I pointed out how many games were lost by major contributors on this defense.

Teams do deal with injuries and supsensions every season you are correct. Teams also ebb and flow between seasons when this happens. I will use some non Bills examples for you... Green Bay 2014 Offense, healthy Jordy, motivated Eddy Lacy ranked 6th. This year with no Jordy all year, the same coaches, and a fat Eddy Lacy 23rd ranked offense. What happened? Arizona 2015 Offense, healthy Carson Palmer, added an over the hill CJ2K ranked 1st. 2014 Offense, same coaches Palmer hurt in game 9/10, ranked 24th. What happened? Indianaplois 2014 Offfense, healthy Andrew Luck ranked 3rd over all. 2015, same coaches, added Andre Johnson and Frank Gore, Andrew Luck injured ranked 28th. What happened? So without much thought I gave you 3 good examples of injuries derailing units that had consistency with coaching. I only went back the 1 year too! So please tell me again how injuries don't have any bearing on how well a team performs especially losing 2 major contributors.

I already did. Between Kyle and Aaron Williams missed 23 games between the 2 of them. So the best safety on the team and the leader of the d-line missed a huge chunk of time. Add in injuries to Bradham, McKelvin, and Gilmore injuries causing them to miss a combined 18 games and they weren't the same defenses.

I used Drafttek and here is what I got... trade 19 and 174 (895.6 points) for 24 and 87 (895) trade 24 and 144 (773.5 points) for 29, 93, and 186 (783.8) 29 Jarran Reed solves the NT problem and allows Marcel to kick out to DE 49 Jayron Kearse safety is a big need on this team 80 Josh Perry OLB attention given to all 3 levels of the defense and all of these guys fit the 3-4 87 Kamelei Correa OLB LB is a huge need on this team 93 Jack Allen C versatility to play all along the line, nice depth and potential to take over for Wood in a year or 2 114 Tyler Matakevich ILB leader of a tough Owls D and as stated LB is a huge need 186 Cardale Jones QB - no way is he here this late but I will take it! Qb to groom. Gives Rex the tools to revamp the defense in his image, rebuilds the lb group, help for the o-line, and a qb to groom. I would be very happy with a draft like this and I think outside of Cardale all of these players could be available at these spots.

All guys on rookie contracts. Any Qb who has shown the possibility to be good and signed a second contract is making 12+ million.

Evan Mathis is the best comparison to Richie in my mind and last year he over played his hand. He was offered and turned down a 5.5 million deal to play for a contender. He was a pro bowler and 2nd ranked pff og. So that is starting rate for Richie. Add in that he has several off field issues and I have to think the Bills are pushing for the 4 million a year range. Richie probably wants closer to that 5.5. I want them to keep RI but do NOT under any circumstance want to keep him at 5.5 for 3 or so years. Neither of those numbers are good for the Bills.

Big Cat has answered a lot including me at least not completely excusing Rex from the performance of the D. I am just proposing that he was one of the factors not the only factor. I think Mario quitting was huge and Rex's lack of response was also an issue. I think holding up getting torched by Brady is a poor example as Brady regularly does that to Buffalo including in 2014. The last game of the year in 2014 is being discounted due to the sitting players including Brady at half. I will say this though and it is pure conjecture on my part - Rex gave the league the blueprint to beat the Pats* this year. When The Bills and Pats played a 2nd time the Pats got their record to 10-0. After that game they finished 3-5. Injuries did play a part but Rex certainly laid a blueprint down in holding them to 20 points. That was their lowest points scored all year to that point and was the 2nd least allowed all year (Den 18 in AFCCG). The defense wasn't as good in 2015 as 2014 and Rex admitted part of that was trying to play 2 defenses instead of his. I think the injuries played a huge role in that as well. As for Kiko this year showed how him missing in 2014 wasn't as big a deal as we thought as he wasn't as good as any of us thought. Dareus made similar comments in tc then manned up and played hard. Nobody is questioning his effort. Mario quitting and having questionable ethic for a 2nd team is going to be a problem for him going forward. He will certainly get paid but I don't think he will be as sought after this go around as he was last time. His contract certainly won't be anywhere near what it was last time.

This is my hope. The draft is deep in a lot of the positions the Bills need. A trade down or even 2 would net some 2nd and 3rd round picks that could be very good players. Trade Cin gets 19 and 174 overall, Buf gets 24 and 87. Bills would still likely have a crack at elite DL and LB talent while picking up an extra 3rd. There are a lot of players grouped right where Buffalo is. I am really rooting for a trade down or 2 this year.

He doesn't strike me as a hanger on a la Fredex. I wouldn't be surprised to see him hang it up. If he doesn't he likely is looking for a contender with an established back. He can do a lot of damage in a limited role imo.

You are way too smart of a fan to put this simply on Ryan. Everyone on the defense got worse because their numbers didn't equal 2014 and that is soley Rex's fault? Kyle Williams 6 games in 2015 15 in 2014. Does that effect the defense? Or does missing a pro bowl dt for more than half the season not effect the defense at all? Aaron Williams 3 games in 2015 15 in 2014. Does that effect the defense? Or does missing your best safety for 3/4 of the season not effect the defense at all? Stephon Gilmore 12 games in 2015 14 in 2014. Does that effect the defense? Or does missing your #1 Cb for an extra 2 games not effect the defense at all? Nigel Bradham 11 games in 2015 14 in 2014. Does that effect the defense? Or does missing one of your best lbs and being forced to start UDFA not effect the defense at all? That is 28 games missed just from 4 MAJOR contributors to the 2014 defense. That doesn't include losing Searcy to FA, Wynn to IR, and McKelvin to his injury recovery. It also doesn't include the half assing of Mario for the ENTIRE year. The defense wasn't as good as any of us hoped but to lay it solely at Rex's feet is lazy at best and doesn't account for all of the other variables. For as bad as Rex supposedly is he coached the Jets (with one of the worst cb situations in the league) to 6th in 2014 - 2 behind the Bills, 11th in 2013 - 1 behind the Bills running Pettine's/his defense, 8th in 2012, 5th in 2011, 3rd in 2010). So what is more likely? He is a terrible coach that doesn't know how to coach defense? Or injuries and learning a new scheme played a large part in the regression of the defense? This team has made brain dead penalties for too long to place them at Rex's feet lol. I do agree that he doesn't publicly hold them accountable and it appears privately either. I can't disagree with any of your post. There comes a certain point where you are defencing your guys anymore you are excusing and thus allowing their behavior. I wonder if he will learn from this but don't think he will as he has been doing it this way for so long. He leans on his leaders to do that. When the leader of the d line is the biggest culprit of dogging it he didn't appear to have an answer. Ray Lewis held people in check in Baltimore and likely David Harris (although less demonstratively) in NY. Kyle Williams loss looms large in this role and I think the first NE game was evidence that Aaron Williams wasn't ready to be that guy yet either.

gutless is nothing more than hyperbole. Maybe he hoped the effort would come. Maybe Rex thought that as the season went on Mario would realize the quitter label would be troublesome for him, maybe Rex thought a $100 million player couldn't possibly dog it all year long, maybe Rex thought that Mario was his best option, maybe Rex didn't want to play IK more than he absolutely had to. Rex should have benched him, that we are in total agreement. The reason why he didn't we can only guess at. The most common defense and one I can't disagree too strongly with is who else were they going to play? Lavar Edwards or IK Enkempali? Having coached in the past it is a delicate thing to handle your best player that doesn't give full effort. I always favored try hard players over elite talent that dogged it. Then again I was coaching u19 boys travel soccer teams not millionaire professional men. I didn't have millions of people judging my every decision lol.

The Dolphins "highlight" has to be the most alarming. The constant defense was that he only checked out after the Jax game. As this shows it started long before that. Oops here it is again. One of these highlights was from the Fins game that was before the bye. He dogged it all year long which is in concert with Ty Dunne's article quoting a player saying it started in tc. That would lean more on Mario had already made up his mind more so than the scheme is at fault.

I haven't seen it lol The most I have seen is people suggesting he gets a fitz like deal. Which after seeing what Cousins and Bradford are getting is a pipe dream. Hell Fitz himself will likely command 12-15 million after last year which is ridiculous.

Pro -EJ guy here. Not a TT hater. Love what TT did this year. Can't wait to see more of him next year. I will fully admit to part of the reason I believe in EJ is because he seems like such a nice genuine guy I'd like to see him succeed. You are correct though about what people are proposing. There are really only 2 main sentiments in this thread. Give TT a bridge deal or wait for him to prove himself and then re-sign him. That Bradford deal is ridiculous. Has a player ever made more money doing less? It also causes the going rate for QBs in that middle tier to elevate both their expectations and what they will ultimately get. If he plays as well or better next year I think the reality is he will cost 15+ million which is ridiculous. If Cousins can get franchised, Bradford can sign that ridiculous deal, and Osweiller gets anywhere over 10 million, then that doesn't bode well for TT coming in cheap at all.

Let me preface my comment by saying obviously I love the Bills. That said as much as I loved that he signed here there was a pit in my stomach about why. Why would he sign with a team that hadn't sniffed contention in a decade. Then the reports of the fridge came out, then the other locker room issues. Mario isn't going to a contender. He is going to whoever throws the most money at him period. The Redskins game did it for me. I own a Mario jersey. I think he is a very good player. He absolutely dogged it all day long. I purposely paid attention to him on every snap as I couldn't believe what I was seeing. If you have access to all 22 please go back and check it out. It is for lack of a better word, disgusting the effort he put forth. Mario was supposed to be a team leader. He was supposed to be our Reggie White. He ended up being a quitter. He ran away from Houston and their 3-4. Want to guess who the D Coordinator was?

Quite simple really. SS, FS, etc. are generally hitting and taking hits from people the same size as them. QBs are absorbing hits from people that could outweigh them by up to a 100 lbs or more.

I still want Cardale. I'm very happy it looks like he may be available in the 3rd or 4th. He has all of the tools and here he would have the opportunity to sit and learn. If he can get the mental aspect of the game down he will be scary good.

I would prefer to avoid the tag situation altogether. Franchise tag for a qb is north of 20 million. I wouldn't want to pay that to Tyrod unless he straps the Bills on his back. Not play well enough to win but be the difference and reason they win. I would prefer floating him a few extra million next year and add an additional year. Then the contract can be renegotiated if the circumstances you describe happen. This would allow the team to avoid using the tag and be insurance for both sides. All of this of course is assuming that Tyrod is interested in talking deal, if he wants to bet on himself the Bills have no choice but to let him play out next year. All of this said I wouldn't be working on this until I had the rest of the off season taken care of. I like that they floated it but don't want to see them do it too quickly this off season. Russell Wilson signed his deal last off season for 4 years 87.5 million. He threw for 217 ypg, same amount of tds in 2 more games, and had a slightly lower completion % than Tyrod had this year. Over his career to that point He averaged 207.3 ypg. Was it a mistake for the Seahawks to sign him? IF and it is a big IF Tyrod is resigned it will be because of what they think he will be not what he is right now. Unless you think he is a finished product.

Tyrod is effectively now on a 1 year deal. I don't want him to have the option of hitting free agency next year. I would rather sign him to an extra year or 2 with a bump in pay. The bridge idea that everyone keeps floating is best case scenario for both the team and Tyrod. It gives him security after next year if he regresses or (heaven forbid) gets hurt and it gives the Bills time to work out exactly what he is and what he should be paid. It seems like a no brainer and I have no idea how people don't like this idea.