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Is that all the cheaters in baseball did wrong? Just get caught? It's a sad day when people think cheating to win is ok and something to be overlooked. Too bad Lance Armstrong got caught. We wouldn't all know what a loser he turned out to be. And yes you are condoning it, despite what you just claimed. And yes an argument can be made that the cheating made them superbowl champs. Tell the opposing coaches that the other team knew what they were going to run and see how they feel about it. I doubt they yawn

Why can't a team survive in LA? With a state of the art complex and good ownership, the team will thrive.

What about Belicheat? His record in Cleveland was mediocre. I think the Brady pick and the cheating made Belichick the "great" coach he is today. Is Belicheat mentioned in the discussion of greatest coaches ever if he doesn't win a superbowl? I doubt it. One could argue that all his superbowl wins were tainted. I know others in this board don't agree with me, but I don't think cheaters deserve recognition. I think he should have been tossed out of the league. They suspended Payton for bountygate because they were concerned about the integrity of the game. What Belicheat did hurt the integrity of the game more.

Someone claimed something at sometime so it must be true

wise ass

I like the pink sweater.

I would not expect alot from Goodwin too early. He needs time to develope

no it's not good. Eugene Parker will get him traded as he did Peters

Why aren't they home studying the playbook? Camp Marv all over again

I'd have to go with Frank Lewis

But what if Ralph passes in the middle of selling a policy?

You must have missed the LOL. I clearly knew you wouldn't devote paragraphs to refuting me. Throwing a Belichick video up there doesn't exactly refute things. You say many condider him the greatest coach of his generation. Does this include you, or do you just think he's a very good coach? Because, after the cheating he has not won a superbowl. Do the coaches who have won superbowls without the cheating in his generation deserve to be called better coaches? Think about it. Do the patriots win those superbowls without cheating? The NFL would have us all believe the cheating doesn't really matter. Burn the tapes and hope everyone forgets so that the good name of the NFL is not smeared by a cheat. They suspend Payton for a year for what he did because it hurts the integrity of the game. I would say what Belicheat did was far worse. Yet he seems to get a pass. When the reporter offered that ststement about Belechick's time in cleveland, it was about the team's performance. If losing in Cleveland is called a good coaching job, maybe the Bills should have kept Dick Jauron. If he had Brady in Cleveland, I'm sure he would have won there too. You take the cheating in account as part of his work. He should have been thrown out of the league. He stole superbowls from more deserving teams. And clearly Belichick doesn't have near the success without his association with Brady

You're going to explain to me your position by trying to torture me with a 45 minute video of Belicheat? LOL ....Can't you explain your position in a brief paragraph or two? Belichick's firing in Cleveland was aptly called "the reign of error" by one of Cleveland's sports writers. How can Belichick be so good in New England and so bad in Cleveland? In my humble opinion, it's Tom Brady. Belichick did nothing of consequence until Brady took over. Also, don't discount the cheating that Belichick was a part of that influenced the outcome of superbowls and quite possibly other important games. I cannot in all honestly say a guy who blantantly cheated is the best coach of all time. How many superbowls have they won since the cheating? None!! I could easily argue Chuck Knoll, Don Schula, Tom Landry , Vince Lonbardi and others as the best coach of all time. A cheater will never get my vote. Sorry he get's yours. Would you say Barry Bonds is the best baseball player of all time? Probably not after the cheating. Take Brady from the Pats, and Belechick is just another coach. I do admit he made adjustments after being fired. he did learn and adjust. I think his failures in Cleveland also is a reason he resorted to cheating. He was so afraid of failure, he cheated.

Explain how belecheat's time with the Browns is misunderstood and misrepresented. Seems to me he was fired. Totally disagree.. to say Brady is a product of a system is utter folly

Not really. Did Jim Kelly become a hall of fame quarterback on the Buffalo Bills? Yes..and so would Tom Brady. Its' funny how Belichick couldn't draft and develope a quarterback into the hall of fame while with the Browns. To try and say Brady became a hall of famer becasue he was drafter and developed by the Patriots is ridiculous. Tom brady deserves more credit for making the Patriots what they are than the other way around. If that wasn't the case, why did they give him the big bucks? Why not just draft and develope your next hall of famer? No, they realized what they had. A hall of fame quarterback that made Belichick

I wish this topic would just die

But where is the apology for juicing?

I want to know why you're still wearing a Fitzpatrick jersey

Are You kidding me? Anyone with half a brain can see that Brady would have succeeded wherever he went. Yes they got lucky with Brady. Obviously if they thought he woud have turned outt the way he did, he would have been drafted in the first round. And of course no one is claiming that they knew Brady would be this good. This is why the implication of winning the lottery was made. Also, the Irsays didn't win the lottery. They sucked on purpose so they could draft Luck. That was actually smart, not lucky..pardon the pun.

Put the bong down

I think this topic is overrated

It's appears that you've wasted your time on a false post

I agree. He's a loser. If he wasn't playing professional football he'd be nothing but a career criminal. I wish teams would refuse to take on guys like that.

I don't agree. I think drunk chicks can be awesome. They were a big part of my younger years. So please let's not give drunk chicks a bad rap over one bad drunk egg

Well, as with any player, if they don't produce, they most likely will be out of a job