chris heff

Ok I'm going to do this again. I posted in another thread today. I live in Florida. Yesterday I was with a number of FSU Alumni, one of whom was a knowledgeable football fan. When I asked about Manuel vs Winston. He said EJ was in a program at FSU that was in a rebuilding faze, he never had the supporting cast that Winston has. Winston, according to him has a much better o line than EJ ever had, his receivers are much better and all three FSU running backs could play in the NFL. He agreed with the premiss that the FSU offense is more complicated than people think and that some of the things EJ was blamed for were because his receivers were young and inexperienced.

Except for that time last year when we beat the Jets.

I heard Dierdorf say the same thing. You're right he was probably talking to players and coaches.

I posted in another thread today. I live in Florida. Yesterday I was with a number of FSU Alumni, one of whom was a knowledgeable football fan. When I asked about Manuel vs Winston. He said EJ was in a program at FSU that was in a rebuilding faze, he never had the supporting cast that Winston has. Winston, according to him has a much better o line than EJ ever had, his receivers are much better and all three FSU running backs could play in the NFL. He agreed with the premiss that the FSU offense is more complicated than people think and that some of the things EJ was blamed for were because his receivers were young and inexperienced.

I respect your opinion. There are a number of posters whose opinions are worthless. You are not one of them. Four and a half games tells us nothing about EJ Manual other than he is a rookie, being coached by a rookie HC with a rookie OC with a two and four reviver that are rookies.

If EJ and Thad are good to go next week Tuel is in the street.

Thank you, I just don't understand labeling Manual in any way after four and a half games.

Yesterday I had a conversation with a knowledgeable FSU fan and Alumnus. He said that at FSU Manuel was a QB for a rebuilding program. He never had the supporting cast that Winston has. O line wasn't as good backs and receivers that Manuel had weren't close to what FSU has now. He agreed with the premiss that the FSU offense is more complicated than people think. He also said that the one flaw in EJ's game is what got him injured, he'll try for that extra yard instead of getting out of bounds. He said he has become a Bills fan because of EJ. As far as Winston is concerned he said he thinks if he were eligible for this years draft, he would be the number one pick.

"Dewey defeats Truman"

Goodwin is injury prone.

Beer is injury prone. Don't take it anywhere. As long as you consume it alone at home you should be alright, but in a parking lot, never.

Lewis is injury prone the Bills need to draft QBs in the first three rounds.

CJ is injury prone we should draft a RB in the first round.

Back to this thread, I don't have any idea what Jeff Tuel's strengths are. The only playing of his that I have ever seen are preseason and the Cleveland game. I have never seen Matt Flynn play, but somehow I think I prefer him to Tuel.

Just for the record Manuel was the Bills first pick QB ever.

I was not critical of Kolb because he was injury prone, I was critical because he was given two opportunities as a starter and failed. I believe Simms missed no games his rookie year. It was the next three seasons that he was injured. I'm not sure why that matters. Each of his injuries were more significant than either of EJ's.

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I've posted it before but I'll do it again. Would you be happy if after calling it a career a QB had two Super Bowl Rings, was a Super Bowl MVP and two Pro Bowls? Phil Simms in his first four years had a a separated shoulder, compound fracture of thumb on his throwing hand and torn knee ligaments. He was drafted higher than EJ, I think it was the eighth pick. I lived in NYC at the time a lot of fans hated the pick. Called injury prone and a bust. Not a HOF but his number has been retired by the Giants. I think if you asked Giant fans who they would take given a choice between Simms and Eli Manning, they would take Simms. I am sure if I tried I could give you many examples. Please stop with the injury prone nonsense.

Would you be happy with a QB that when all was said and done had two Super Bowl rings, was a Super Bowl MVP and a couple of Pro Bowls? Phil Simms early career, separated shoulder, broken thumb, and a knee injury. Simms was basically out for three of his first four years. An injury is not a reason to give up on a guy.

The Lyons pick is a waste! Has anyone on the board ever seen the guys analytics? He not NFL ready.

Are you guys kidding me? Lyons is not NFL ready! He is a project at best. I don't care about his upside. His decision making and accuracy are questionable. This is just the same old Bills. They will waste the next couple of seasons trying to see if Lyons is the guy.

EJ's knee will be better when he gets back.

After which event did he grow up? The hit and run, the gun charge arrest or the DUI?

Being an apologist for this type of behavior is exactly the problem. It is why guys like Lynch think they are not accountable. His behavior is stupid and self destructive. It takes a tremendous amount of work to be a professional athlete. It is a way out. Then to jeopardize that with stupidity is absurd.

I agree, I'm amazed at how many people think this time off the field is hurting him, and yet it seemed as though most thought he should sit behind Kolb for a number of games. That being said, I would like EJ back for a purely selfish reason. I want to watch him play.