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I get what you're saying but thats a completely different argument for another day. What we're arguing here is strictly DFS and how they compare to regular fantasy leagues. Not to poker. So back at it: The true only difference between DFS and traditional fantasy is the duration of the league. So if fanduel did month-long leagues would people be ok with that? And why? And who determines exactly how long fantasy leagues should be in order for them to be "legal". To further undermine everyones complaints about fanduel: Espn and cbs and yahoo all allow you to create pick 'em leagues on their websites where you and your friends can PAY to join. These leagues all have season ending payouts. Furthermore, many of these leagues have WEEKLY payouts for the person who wins that week. (My cbs league is $50 to the weekly winner). How is that any worse than fanduel? Its not season-long. And you're technically still gambling. The truth is - its no different at all. So lets get down the REAL reason many people have an issue with fanduel/draftkings: 1. They cant STAND the commercials/marketing 2. They suck at DFS compared to their traditional fantasy leagues and it therefore offends them. And your post kinda addressed ur annoyance with DFS right off the bat with ur "red carpet" comment. It becomes a personal isssue for many bc for whatever reason they cant stand DFS and all of the attention that surrounds it.

I know. We've lost our last 2 vs them after winning our previous 2 in dominating fashion. Of course, one of the games we recently lost was that Tuel debacle. I read that their RB, West went down with a hammy injury. That would be a huge loss for them b/c he's been playing really well replacing Charles.

I'd say we have to run considering two of our most explosive players on offense are RB's. Why shy away from that? I feel that a team should play to its strengths and not shy away from them b/c of who your opponent is. The NE Patriots don't give up a lot of rushing yards per game (2nd best in NFL), but that's partly b/c teams are normally playing catch up with the Pats and have to pass more (they give up 4.0yds/carry though which is 11th best in NFL). Hopefully b/c the Patriots are banged up, they won't be able to move the chains as easily as they normally do. If our defense can keep the pats at around 24-27 points, I feel we can pull out a victory focusing on what we do best: running the ball, and taking a handful of shots downfield to Sammy as opposed to changing our winning formula.

I thought he finished the game despite the injury. Maybe I misread. I was referring to how quickly the decision was made. A partial tear may not be season ending..but I guess they knew it was a full tear.

The Ravens season is about mathematically done. No point in even trying to rush Flacco back. Now the organization has a legitimate excuse ("sorry fans, we went 5-11 but we didn't have Flacco) to fans to tank the season and nab a top 3-5 pick. Smart move.

What exactly is it that we're arguing here? 1. Does anyone here have any problem whatsoever with someone playing fantasy baseball. If I pay $200 to join a 10 team 5x5 roto league with the ability to win XXX money at the end of the season, is that gambling? Technically it can be considered a form of gambling, though to this point has been perfectly legal pretty much across the board for decades. 2. Same scenario as #1, but instead I join the league 1 month into the season (b/c I was lazy to join opening day). Does someone have a problem with that? 3. I join a league on fanduel that functions exactly the same way as #1 or #2, with the exception that it ends after 1 week. People obviously have a problem with this. So everyone who's crying about fanduel/draftkings, you're telling me that #1 and #2 should be legal, but #3 should not? At what point is it "ok" in everyone's mind for a fantasy league to be considered legal and not "online gambling"? I can join a football league or baseball league on espn after the season has started and still play for winnings - and it's technically no longer "season-long". I can join a season-long fantasy league, and 5 of my top 7 draftees can all go down to season-long injuries and my team is pretty much done...that doesn't mean that there wasn't "skill" in my draft - it means, like ANYTHING ELSE IN LIFE, things can go array. You can be an expert financial analyst and still make some pretty $hitty stock selections that bomb. Difference between an expert financial analyst and the average Joe is that they'll be right 9 times out of 10 while the average Joe will be right once or twice. So everyone's panties are in a bunch b/c Fanduel/Draftkings are weekly leagues that don't require "skill"? Seems like there's a lot of people here who have tried fanduel/draftkings and have lost pretty consistently. Stop hating.

Whatever the reasoning may be is irrelevant; the fact is that the word "skill" is specifically mentioned in the Act.

LMAO..i hear ya. All I'm saying is that the federal government specifically carved out fantasy sports from the Act, partly b/c they viewed it as a game of skill...which goes directly against what this clown in NY is saying. I'd personally rather be on the side of the Feds when it comes to these kinds of matters. Now, I no longer live in NY so I don't care, but there are too many people in NY, and too many professional sports teams in NY and thus too much interest in fantasy sports in NY, for this clown to fight the "skill" argument when the federal government specifically states in the Act that fantasy leagues are not a problem. Maybe this would fly in Montana with a population of 20 people and no professional sports teams..but this guy is fighting an uphill battle in NY and will probably ultimately suffer for it.

The skill aspect is not flimsy at best b/c "skill" is specifically mentioned as one of the reasons why joining a fantasy prize league is legal under the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006: "All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events." Daily fantasy leagues comply with the Act's requirement that no winning outcome be based on: `(aa) on the score, point-spread, or any performance or performances of any single real-world team or any combination of such teams; or `(bb) solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event. So federally they appear to be clear..the dog and pony show with NYS will eventually come to an end, considering the amount of professional sports teams that NY has and its high population.

A lot of things in life make zero sense. Write your congressman/woman

The Bills defense gets a lot of crap but the Jets have given up about 30pts a game the last 3 games. The Jets are banged up and we are finally getting healthy. The most explosive players in this game are on the Bills side. The Jets may also suffer from their kicker being injured. Bills 27. Jets 17.

They are gambling according to whom? Is season-long fantasy gambling? How about when CBS, espn, yahoo, etc allow you to join a fantasy league halfway through the season, so it's no longer 'season-long'; is that gambling?

Cbs, espn, yahoo and countless others have been making money on countless forms of fantasy sports over the years and those are legal and not regulated by a governing body. This is all a dog and pony show. Don't make it out to be about regulation.

I hear ya. Luck is required in any league - whether it be seasonal or daily - but at the end of the day, there's no doubt in my mind that over the long run, the cream rises to the top in terms of "talent" or "skill" when it comes to certain people playing fantasy leagues. When I was younger, I had my own formulas for selecting players in MLB roto 5x5 leagues and I'd finish top 3 in roughly 70% of the leagues I joined over the years. Without question, much of that success was also due to the time I dedicated towards those fantasy leagues and I simply stopped playing b/c as I got older I just couldn't dedicate that much time to playing fantasy baseball anymore. But in every fantasy league you always have three kinds of people: 1. those that are relatively clueless when it comes to strategy in fantasy sports but play b/c they still think it's fun 2. those that do know what they're doing and do have a gameplan but life gets in the way and they simply can't dedicate the needed time to dominate or win consistently 3. and those that have both the time and the strategy in place to win or place near the top of their leagues on a consistent basis In the end, all of these fantasy leagues will be legal folks - there's just too much demand and too much money involved for them not to be. But yeh, I hate the commercials.

I was a big Fitz supporter. This thread is not to belittle him..but he had the same players vs every other team he played, and his QBR was still substantially lower vs the Jets; not to mention that they were 2-5 vs. the Jets. The Jets weren't horrible, but they weren't the Pats either.

Perhaps. But Fitz/Bills didn't suck so bad vs. the Dolphins during the same period. His QBR was substantially lower vs. the Jets. It is what it is; just throwing it out there.

I was a big Fitzy supporter when he was here in Buffalo, but looking back at his performances vs. the Rex-led Jets, he really had some clunkers: Overall Fitz/Bills were 2-5 vs. Rex's Jets. Fitz had 11TD / 7 INT (which is pretty decent), but an avg QBR of 30.1 over those 7 games (his career avg QBR is about 48), so it's clear that he struggled a bit more facing Rex's system. Lets hope it's 2-6 after Thursday (vs Rex)!

what's up with Folk's injury? with the XP being what they are now, an injury to the Jets kicker may be a pretty big deal..

The biggest playmakers are on the Bills side: TT, shady, Watkins and Karlos.. The Jets D has not been as impressive the last few weeks. The Jets offense doesn't have the explosiveness to scare me despite our defense's "struggles". I just don't see the Jets being able to keep up with the Bills now that our offense is healthy (Shady's shoulder doesn't appear to be a big deal). Bills 27 Jets 17

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I LOL'd so hard at this a little urine came out. Clearly you didn't think this through all the way.

Leodis is expendable. And hes often injured anyway Incognito shouldnt be a priority over Glenn imo KW may have to go too

Id take him over Johnson. That way next time TT is injured and EJ decides to have an abomination of a half, his butt can be benched.

Why are we arguing about EJ? That 2nd quarter was among the worst QB performances i have ever seen. Not againts the Steel Curtain but against the Jags. The Jags. The same Jags team that the texans put 30+ pts against the week prior. EJ is a backup so theres no point in arguing over his value to this team. Theres no QB debate. Hes the backup. He'll always be the backup.

You can't be serious. You just can't. Yeh teams are just jumping over themselves to land a player that can't beat out TT and can't hit the broadside of a barn if his career depended on it (which it did).