Thurman#1

I didn't misinterpret your question. You're a troll, and you were trolling. It's quite clear. I was addressing others in the thread who were worth talking to. "If you hate the Bills ..." is extremely clear, it's simply a dumb prologue to a thread title on here. Isn't it, Bills Fans. 'Nuff said, don't need to feed this guy.

It's his second year. We don't yet know what he is, and while some of your negatives are very reasonable, others are only based on his behavior as a rookie, and he has improved a lot since then. Every QB looks different under pressure, which is why most of the emphasis on stopping the passing game comes down to pressuring the QB. Whether Peterman will look worse than any other QB under pressure will be something we'll see over the course of his career. I don't expect an injury, though it's certainly possible. My guess is that the OL improves over the course of the year as they gel, though I don't expect them ever to be good this year.

Oh, please. It's completely and totally reasonable for a Bills fan to think the GM is horrible and that we'll stink this year. Completely and totally reasonable to think the opposite too. Yours is an utterly ridiculous question. Yes, there are a few trolls here. Everyone else loves the Bills, even if they have doubts about their current direction.

Tomczak retired while Roethliberger was still in high school. Do you mean Tommy Maddox? Not a good comparison, IMHO. The Steelers knew who Maddox was. He was an eighth-year man when Roethlisberger was a rookie. And he'd been the Steelers starter for two years. The main thrust, that this team is committed to Allen in the long run seems obvious. There's no reason to think that they are committed to Allen this year. They could easily think that they'd like to sit him for the year if things work out that way, particularly if the teams started with some wins. Maybe even if they don't. I don't see any controversy coming, though. I have a lot of faith in McD to handle the locker room.

Did Cleveland clear the way for their rookie QB? Arizona? Most teams ... do different things depending on how ready they think the rookie QB is. And yeah, there'll be drama among fans. The locker room? No reason to think so. They handled the Peterman - Tyrod deal just fine even when it blew up. They hung in with McD. They'll almost certainly do so here as well.

Nah, he's worth the money NE pays him. If he wasn't, Belichick would cut him in a heartbeat. He does what they ask him to do, and he's productive. Hogan's the 57th highest paid WR in football.

I'm glad I never have brain farts or make careless mistakes.

No particular reason to think that's true. Yeah, right now it's the headline, but he doesn't need a Super Bowl win, just a couple of years as a starter somewhere, one of which is pretty good. Having one awful performance ... as a rookie ... isn't a career definer. It certainly is a rookie year definer, and is reasonably the first thing people think about right now when they think of the one most memorable thing about him. But if he hangs around for a while and does some things, those will supercede this. Yup.

I know that this board and everyone's exact position on Allen has become such a bizarre obsession for you - same as it was during your near-insane obsession with Tyrod and a few before - that you think that people stay away or come here the way that you do ... tactically and with near complete preoccupation. That's not me, particularly these days. I don't "go into hiding," as if anyone would have to hide from the likes of you, a bizarre and funny idea you have about your importance and the importance of the whole issue. I simply have one of those things you show no signs of having ... a life. I came back now because I had a bit of time during my insanely wonderful six week trip back home in the U.S. And while I don't remember for sure when or how much, I've absolutely been here commenting on the past couple of preaseason games. Just haven't papered the walls with obsessions the way you do. I found five or ten posts to be plenty. I get it that that might seem bizarre to a guy who has, after looking back at your record, written 16 posts in the last 24 hours, every one in threads about Allen or Peterman ... a guy who you have to go back around 35 posts to find anything not about Allen or his competitors or even ex-crush that you just can't let go of, Tyrod ... yeah, I guess a guy with a posting record like that would find it bizarre that people might actually not have a somewhat disturbing obsession with a Buffalo Bills QB. But in fact, the guy who you replied to above had a very reasonable opinion. And you, as is your habit, misstated what he'd said ... and then labeled his opinion "incorrect". Again, typical for you to confuse your opinion for a fact. And yes, you were wildly mis-stating what he said. He said, "I don't understand why everyone is trying so hard to forget that he was a major project coming out of Wyoming." And you immediately replied , "Please stop pushing the narrative Allen is still a huge project who needs 2-3 years on the bench." A typical straw man setup from you, misstating what someone said and then attacking your own words as if they'd been said by someone else. And as for me saying he had a five percent chance to start week one ... well, sorta. What I actually said was that he had around a five percent chance ... unless the other Bills suffered injuries that set them back, and unless Allen was a whole ton better than he is expected to be. And he has been better, though not a whole ton, obviously. And an injury absolutely has pretty much set McCarron out of the competition, not that he was setting the world on fire anyway. The odds have changed. I'd probably give him a 25 or 30% chance now. And as for what people predicted, wasn't it you who said he had a chance of starting week one that was well over 50%? And are now rooting hard against it? The fact that the OL is likely to be pretty poor surprises nobody but you. It's been one of the main reasons cited since about the day after the draft for why Allen shouldn't start early and possibly not at all this year. ------------------------ Anyway, enough of Transplant's nonsense. Shouldn't have bothered with such tripe anyway. People are saying in this thread that sitting doesn't help you develop, that that's nonsense. Who disagrees with that? Josh Allen among others. "... sometimes quarterbacks can get thrown in there too early and that can have a snowball effect on them during your career. So coach is going to do the smart thing." - Josh Allen https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2018-nfl-training-camps-bills-wont-rush-josh-allen-into-starting-qb-role/ I love that the guy is this smart. But his lack of experience is huge. For those arguing he's ready, it sure doesn't look that way when he says something like this, "Sometimes when the play clock got a little low and I couldn't really dissect what they were doing and understanding what they were doing, it's tough on a quarterback." "The rookie admitting that he 'couldn't really dissect' what the defense was doing is more disappointing than the five sacks." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000951742/article/bills-josh-allen-blames-self-for-five-sacks-vs-bengals Exactly. And the schemes were relatively vanilla this time of year. He needs more time and development.

Which it isn't. It's quite a reasonable opinion. The fact that he disagrees with the guy who by his own admission has been so consistently wrong on QBs - for years now - is actually a pretty good indicator that his opinion is very legit and sensible indeed.

Benching rookies doesn't delay processes like this. You can learn nearly as well from the sideline, especially so when you're talking about a guy who doesn't know NFL defenses well yet. And while we're already seeing choruses of "Allen only had long throws called for him while Peterman had shorter ones," it's far more likely that Peterman just better diagnosed what the defenses were giving him, made smarter and quicker reads and get the ball out quicker. Which is not surprising when you're comparing a second-year guy to a rookie before his first season has even started. You can reach a point where you've learned about as much as you can learn from the sidelines and need to get in and play to make significant progress. That point is well over the horizon at this point. And they're still facing mostly vanilla defenses as you'd expect in preseason games.

Hate? Please. So many of you people don't know what hate looks like. What you're seeing her is what happens when a guy looks like he's not ready yet. Most people seem to feel that anything other than unqualified jock-sniffing fanboy love is hate. And that ain't so.

Yeah yeah yeah. And all non-positivity is totally unacceptable and must be eradicated. The Kool-Aid Brigade demands it.

Maybe the 2nd greatest thing. The greatest thing was the 2017 season.

Play whoever makes Allen better down the road. We aren't winning a Super Bowl this year. The next 15 years or so are far more important. Pre-season games should NOT be taken as predictive. They're not.

Yeah, that and Ramsey is taking shots at an unproven rookie while Benjamin targeted a former league MVP. It's not a double standard. Trash talking other teams isn't really problematic. Trashing a guy you played with, and so closely, is.

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2018/08/16/matt-waldmans-rsp-nfl-lens-lb-lorenzo-alexander-bills-pre-snap-psychic/ Nice breakdown on one play where Alexander anticipates and shoots a gap left by a pulling guard. Nice.

As a DC, maybe. As a head coach, I think he threw his chance away.

Brad Johnson had a really good year that year. Really good. 8th in TDs while sporting an insane 22:6 TD/INT ratio. 10th in YPG. 4th in passer rating. 8th in completion percentage among guys with 200+ attempts. They didn't win in spite of Johnson. Johnson was no journeyman. He was a guy who could be really good but only managed it inconsistently. Did the Steelers win that Super Bowl Ben's rookie year? Or did they lose it the same way they did a couple of years earlier with O'Donnell at QB. Only after Roethlisberger got authentically good did they win a title. I have to give you Dilfer, a game manager and not a great one but Flacco had a good year and a terrific playoffs. He's been pretty bad since but he was a major reason they won that SB. It's true that great defenses with a mediocre QB win a SB occasionally. (McMahon, Doug Williams, Dilfer, Flacco if you want to count him and maybe a few others, but not Rypien who was probably top two in the league that year before he took what at the time seemed an unexplainable nosedive before we heard about his concussion problems , not Foles who isn't in the SB without Wentz, and not Hostetler who also isn't in that game without Simms playing most of the year.) But it tends to happen around 10% of the time. That's not the route you want to model. You want to model the method that wins 90%.

Those games you're referring to were from 2015, right? McCarron's 2nd year. Mightn't he have improved? More, the four games you're talking about (I assume, anyway) there were against the 19th (Pittsburgh), 29th (San Fran), 1st (Denver) and 8th (Baltimore) ranked defenses, and Pittsburgh was actually 11th in defensive scoring allowed, they were better than they appeared. That was a tough slate, though SF was a nice little letup, but they scored 24 against SF. I'm not a huge McCarron fan or anything. I'm pursuing this half-heartedly. But those four games against tough defenses as a 2nd year guy just do not even begin to show he's not a good QB. Oh, and as for Average Andy, in 2015 he was on fire. 66.1% completions. 25 TDs in 13 games and 7 INTs, an 8.4 YPA and a 106.2 passer rating. The guy was ripping it up. Very few QBs were playing as well as Dalton was that year.

The league spoke pretty loudly, but with the little game time he's seen, what they were doing is guessing loudly. It's an educated guess, but a guess nonetheless. Sometimes the league gets it wrong.

Sure. But Oakland's not letting him go for a first. That just isn't happening.

Over the next few years, you're saying? Yeah, I agree. Not convinced yet, but the indications are really good, as good as I've seen since the Kelly-Polian-Rusty Jones era.

Active, I would guess probably not. On the roster, sure. They might think Peterman would not be plucked if they put him on the taxi squad. If they think that it might make a good way to keep all three. Since they probably think that especially the early part of the year is purely developmental for Allen, I could easily see them keeping all three.

Not sure you're right about Mack vs. Donald, but you could be. I see the odds on the Bills getting either one as being infinitesimal. Just an opinion, obviously. They could use either guy but the new F.O. has said they don't believe in building through high-ticket FAs, and their history backs that up. We'll see, I guess.