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Little surprised by this. Figured if they stayed in house Gregg would keep the gig after he made a pretty good difference with that team. Although Gregg is an easy guy to dislike, so maybe they didn’t want him leading a team with their young QB

I will take both by drafting Metcalf

I agree but he also lost when his offense got shut down last year in playoffs. This is a big game for him and the Rams this weekend. They have really been spending to win now and have a tough defense waiting for them this weekend. It’s no gimme game. God I hope he beats the Cowgirls, I hate them and Rams are my 2nd favorite team.

I’m not knocking those WRs, I’m disputing this notion that it’s a weak WR draft because there isn’t a “Calvin” type WR in it. Point wasn’t to knock those players, it was to show that we don’t need to find one of those rare talents to be a good offense. There is a lot of WR talent in this draft even though there is no Calvin type prospect.

All good man. But I am honestly not sure what you hate about it, I didn’t say anything negative about McVay. I’m a fan, Rams are my second team. All I said is that even as a fan of McVay, I want to see him win in the postseason before I make him the next GOAT. There is a lot to love so far, but he really needs to win this weekend. But I will add, people keep giving McVay all the credit and don’t acknowledge that in McVays first year he was given: 2 very good new OL. 3 very good new WRs. A good rookie TE to pair with another good TE. And the number one pick in draft going into his second season to start along the best RB in the NFL. So while McVay certainly deserves kudos and credit for what the Rams are now, he didn’t turn around the same bottom feeder team that was on the field the year before. It’s a lot easier to start your HC career off when you have one of the best, if not the best, offensive personnel groups in the league and the best defensive player in the NFL too. I’m sure McVay played a role in that new talent, so not taking that away, just saying the roster was a complete overhaul. I think my post has been taken as if I’m down on McVay or discrediting him. But that’s not what I was saying at all. I’m very high on him and his future. My point is that people keep talking about him like he’s won multiple Super Bowls and now are trying to find the “Next McVay” before there’s even really been a “First McVay”. Let’s see him win when it matters before making him the new blueprint is all I am saying. And for the record, there is A LOT of similarities of this Bills roster today to the Rams roster the day they hired McVay. I do think if we make the right moves offensively this year we can see a Rams type jump next year like they had in McVays first year.

How many Super Bowls did Calvin Johnson win? Now how many Super Bowls did Troy Brown win? How about Doug Baldwin? How about Deion Branch? How about Julian Edelman? I don’t understand why is everyome is so stuck on this “there are no Calvin Johnson” type WRs in this draft statement. I mean, when has that type of WR been the key to the SB? Without looking, I am actually struggling to think of one of those type of WRs that have won one recently. Julio, OBJ, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, TO, Calvin, Hopkins, Mike Evans, AJ, Adams, Moss...no SBs and few played in one even. Most SB teams don’t have lixury of those types of WRs. We don’t need a “Calvin” type prospect to be a potent offense. Rams and Chiefs dont have one and were the most explosive offenses in the NFL. I mean Hill is like 4 feet tall and dominating. This draft is deep at WR, loads of talent. People keep brushing it off because of this “No Calvin” type guy. How much did Cooper Kupp help Goff? Quite a bit. We can find a lot of talent at WR in this draft.

Huh? Lol all I said is that before McVay is crowned the next king of the HCs, let’s pump the brakes and see him have some post season success first. You responded with a rant about McD and the Bills which had nothing to do with what I said. All good, I really don’t get where you want to go with this. I’m not ready to crown McVay, even as a fan of his, until he wins in the post season. You seem to have an issue with McD that you want to drag into that opinion, so not sure what else there is to discuss on the matter. They don’t have anything to do with each other.

But again, my comments had nothing to do with Bills. McVay comment was about McVay, not how he compares to McD. But since you brought it up...right now, they both have the same amount of playoff victories despite McVay having the vastly more talented team ? Yup, and yet some how McVay is being treated like he is Lombardi before he’s even won a single playoff game. Im a real fan of McVay too, but I try and remain unbiased and keep it real. He needs to win before he’s the model people try and copy.

Peterman beat a national Champion. Just saying. College is college and beating Bama doesn’t guarantee future success. It’s a long way to the draft and NFL. Typical over reaction on the kid. Dont get me wrong...He’s got boat loads of potential, but the NFL is littered with the bodies of stud can’t miss college QBs. He could be the next Luck and keep living up to the hype and be a clear number 1 pick, or he could come back and be the next Matt Leinart, Jake Locker or Brian Brown, guys expected to improve into the first pick when they come out just to see the shine wear down a bit as they played more college. If I had to bet today, I would bet on this kid playing well and being the #1 pick. He’s on a talented team and will continue to be. But, I don’t like to over react to people too early. Seen this story wayyyyyy too many times of guys being crowned in college or pros after one season to the story not look the same the years after.

Wow, all I can say is another case of Bills fan PTSD on full display here. What does anything I said about McVay have to do with either the Bills or McD? Lmao It’s pretty comical you even bring it up considering Rams have one of the most talented offensive rosters in the NFL and Bills are now where the Rams were when McVay was hired. Talent on the defense, rookie QB entering his second year and about to rebuild the offensive personnel. Will people keep saying “it worked” with McVay if they lose to the Cowboys and he is 0-2 in the post season with all that firepower? Like I said earlier, I like McVay a lot, but people treat him like he’s a multi Super Bowl winner when he hasn’t won a single playoff game yet. Let the guy win something that matters before he becomes the barometer is my stance.

Not only are McVay's hard to find, but why is McVay suddenly the barometer in the first place? I mean McVay still today has zero playoff wins and goes into this weekend with his team not playing its best ball late in the year against a stout defense. I was at the game when Eagles beat this Rams team...as a Ram fan too I am worried about this Cowboy game. If they lose, McVay would be 0-2 in the playoffs with all that talent and explosive offense. Said this in another thread...what came along WITH McVay was 2 new OL to shore up pass protection and open up holes for Gurley, a new rookie TE to form an effective duo, and 3 new WRs in Watkins, Woods, and Kupp. Yet people seem to treat it like he took the same roster as Fisher and turned it around when it was grossly different. Dont get me wrong, I like McVay, but I just think he is getting more credit than he has truly earned yet.

yeah, the same Robert Foster who got CUT in season and had zero catches before getting enough development to compete on the NFL field. Thanks for once again continuing to make my point over and over again. I dont disagree with your stance on those schools. But again, rosters are made up more than 22 players. My argument has always been 100% about how they cant beat an NFL team today nor will they cover the spread. I haven't then, nor am I now, disagreeing that they clearly are the cream of the crop of schools right now in terms of recruiting.

Before we crown McVay, lets keep in mind he has 0 playoff game wins still and hasn't won anything. And he has a tough game this weekend that is no gimme, especially with the Rams having some late season hiccups. Rams are my #2 team, and I like McVay a lot, so dont get me wrong here. But people need to pump the brakes in general when they crown people the next king. They love to do it off small sample sizes and many times it doesn't work out like they think. Not saying McVay won't prove to be a great coach, there is a lot to like about him right now obviously and I am a fan too. But, let the guy show he can get some postseason success before he becomes the model to copy. Keep in mind, he didn't turn that team around using the same roster Fisher had. In fact, the offense got a complete overhaul that year and they added two critical OL which allowed Gurly to get going again after a slump of a sophomore year. They also gutted the WRs and added Watkins, Woods, and Kupp plus they drafted Garrett also to form a dangerous duo for them at TE. And their rookie QB was now in his 2nd year too and got a full offseason as the starter. There were a lot more things that went into that turn around than just McVay. Of course he had a heavy hand in that, so not taking anything away from him. Just saying let him win when it matters before he starts getting crowned is all.

The only thing that has been more puzzling to me than the Rex Ryan rumors in Miami was this guy being a serious candidate for AZ. I don't really understand this...he attempted 2 career pass attempts in the NFL, so him being an ex-player cant be a factor as he was more irrelevant than Nathan Peterman. He didn't win in college either as a HC. So what exactly is his resume to be chosen this fast over all the candidates out there?

Guess what Lawerence doesn't get: A 2nd NFL start. Its one game bud, one game. Like I said, the ONLY game that matters is Watsons first game just like it will be Lawerences FIRST game. You dont get to go down the list and pick one that first your narrative lmao Guess what else he doesn't have that Watson had...2 more years of development in college, an entire NFL off season learning the NFL GAME, training camp, preseason games, practice snaps, and NFL game experience. To even suggest Lawrence would step onto an NFL field with his Clemson teammates tomorrow, some of which are also freshman, and have a good game against an NFL defense is so comical that I cant even believe we are discussing it. Doesn't mean Lawerence won't be a good NFL QB when he gets to the NFL, but we are not talking about that Lawerence, we are talking about the kid today at this second. LMAO at "packed" with NFL players...who cares. Guess what an NFL team has? 100% NFL Players, even pro bowlers and further HOF players. Guess what Clemson and Alabama have? Some guys who will never play a competitive down in college football, let alone NFL football. Guess what else they have? Future NFL players who are NOT ready to play TODAY in the NFL. Many of their best players on offense are FRESHMAN. Guess what else they both have? Guys who will make the NFL and not last long or never be consistent starters. And you saying they are "packed" with NFL players is false and misleading. They are packed with college kids who have a shot of making the NFL, many of which will not go on to be GREAT players or even starters. Meanwhile they will be facing off against an NFL team entirely made up 100% of seasoned NFL professionals. This thread has been a lot more entertaining and interesting than I anticipated.

Your argument about Bama vs another school would hold water, but the first round is made up of the cream of the crop of over 100 other schools. To suggest Bama has 11 guys on their defense right now that have a higher probability of NFL success than the best players across the entire college football landscape taken in the first round is quite a stretch. They dont even have 11 players that will all be first round draft picks, so unless all 11 guys get drafted in the first round this point is already refuted. And again, we are talking about these 11 players today. Not after another year or two of college football, not after OTA's and NFL training camp, not after an NFL preseason, not after eventually getting some game experience in the NFL. Bama today, right now at this moment. And their bench is not made up of NFL players, and more than 11 guys play during a game on each side of the ball. I mean why are we even talking about Bama, they aren't even the best team in college football after getting waxed last night (again). So I get your love for Bama and Clemson, they are truly great College Football Teams. You are absolutely right that they have an edge over all other schools in recruiting right now too and are different. Nothing wrong with any of your points on that. But thats not what is being discussed, what was being discussed is can this team today go out and beat an NFL team or even cover the spread. And given how badly Bama got beat by a college team, I think the answer is pretty indisputable at this point. There is no chance they could beat an NFL team nor would they cover the 28 point spread previously suggested when this conversation first started in the media.

Except what you just said is wrong and you are also completely wrong in how you are thinking about this. You are taking what Watson eventually became and using that. But these kids would be playing them now, never spending a single second in the NFL, so you dont get to use your predicted arc of what they will develop into maybe one day, its who they are right now before ever entering the NFL. Case in point: Watson in his first start threw for 125 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs. You are incorrectly using what he EVENTUALY did after getting some NFL experience a few games later. These kids get ONE game, not a season to round into form. In addition, Watson had 2 more season of College football experience, an entire NFL offseason of OTA's and Camp, Preseason, and a little time in the regular season BEFORE he had to start his FIRST game in the NFL. So sorry, what you just said is just incorrect analogy. So not one thing you just said about Watson is applicable to this situation. Watson did NOT do the same thing in the NFL 8 months later, he didn't even win the starting job. Unless you think passing for 125 yards is somehow repeating his National Championship game performance. Remember this is ONE game being played TODAY. Not where they guys will EVENTUALLY develop into. And Lawrence is an exciting prospect, but he is not today at the same level of development he will be after 3 full season of College Football and an entire NFL offseason, camp, preseason. But this wasnt even about Lawerence, kid looks great...it was about Bama defense...a defense so legendary they just got lit up and blown out by a 19 year old freshman QB...yet I am supposed to believe that Bama was going to slow down an NFL offense when they cant slow down a kid????? Come on, thats absurd. And again, making the NFL means nothing...Bama will be facing 11 STARTING NFL players or better on each side of the ball. Not one kid on the Bama team has played an NFL snap. Not all of them are even ready for the NFL even if they will eventually get there. Not all of them are going to be starters. And in a football game, your BENCH matters too and again, NFL team is made up 100% of NFL professionals while a college program as good as Alabama still has guys who will never play a down of pro football. Cant believe people still defending this after Clemson just annihilated the very team every said would beat an NFL team. I mean that seals this convo on its own, and Clemson, as good as they are, is not better than an NFL team.

I bolded the part above for one reason...that this isnt about how Lawrence will EVENTUALLY fare in the NFL. This is about Lawrenece right now at this exact moment. If he was in the draft this year, I agree, he would likely be a first round pick and this kid certainly seems promising. But if he stepped onto a a field today at this exact moment against an NFL defense he would get eaten alive. And that same kid who would get swallowed whole but an NFL defense today just lit up that famed Bama defense and blew them out. That was really where my point was with him, is that Lawrence is not NFL ready to start a game and yet he just dismantled this heralded Bama defense. Now imagine what an NFL QB would do playing along side 10 other NFL starting players with also a bench full of NFL professional players. Agree on Clemson...but I think they were already there and have been there for a few years. But again, this notion that a college program, even one as good as Alabama would beat an NFL team is silly. And even the notion that an NFL team wouldn't cover a 28 point spread against them is also pretty silly. Last time someone suggested they could beat a pro team they mentioned the Raiders. I mean Carr would throw for 500+ yards and 6 TDs if they faced the Raiders, and would probably leave the game early in the 4th Quarter the blow out would be so big. To answer your last question...honestly don't know the answer to that question as I haven't broken every player down in that way. In my best guess opinion, I do feel its quite aggressively optimistic to suggest that 35 of the 44 starters will go on to be relevant NFL players. As you stated, you are suggesting that 35 of the 44 players will be relevant draft picks who play relevant snaps in the NFL, not 7th rounder or UDFAs who end up on PS.. Not even so much on the number that make it, but that you think 35 of the 44 players will be relevant in the NFL is astonishing considering the bust rate of the first round alone of the best players in football is greater than 50%. To suggest that 35 out of 44 players from 2 schools would be relevant contributors seems like a stretch to say the least.

He seems like the WR version of McCaffrey in Carolina. I have been saying this a while now, this is a DEEP draft at WR. So the Bills have a lot of options right now on how they can address the WR position, so will be interesting to see what Beane does. Will he be aggressive at getting some of the guys in FA that might get overpaid like Tate or Tyrell? Will he purse one of the Elite WR's if they really become available via trade (Brown, AJ, Julio)? Will he maybe sign another solid vet then focus on getting the bigger playmaker in the deep draft? Lots of options this year in how he can address it, and we have several holes to fill on this team and lots of money we need to spend. Personally, I think the FA group of TE's is pretty weak, so I this is a wild card for me. So part of me thinks Beane may want to target a playmaker at WR in FA or Trade and then look at the draft for something like the TE position early, maybe even first round with Fant. Then again, its a really deep draft at WR, so maybe Beane focuses mostly on DB and OL in FA and then looks to grab a TE and one or even two WRs in the draft. Will be a fun offseason for sure

Can certainly appreciate the work and detail...however, my list definitely differs quite a lot and many list I have seen do too. And I am sure those lists, my list, and your list will obviously all change a lot too once we get into the combine and stuff though. One notable shock for me though on your list was how far down you have Metcalf. I just cant see Metcalf going any later than the 2nd round unless his combine is terrible or something concerning comes up with his neck. A strong combine IMO will make him a pretty strong candidate for not only the first round (where I expect him to go), but also the first WR taken. Brown was another I was surprised you had so far down the list too. But then again, I am no pro scout either

Ok, let's pretend what you just said is true above, which feels aggressively optimistic, but lets say you are right anyway. When this was originally being discussed, you told me that Bama might win, but if they didn't, Buffalo would NOT cover the spread against Bama because the Bama defense has so many future NFL players on it, in fact, you said all of them. You said this Bama team was different, it was essentially a PRO team on the field with very few people who won't make the NFL. YET: They just got blown out by a COLLEGE team. A College team which does not, under any circumstance, have the same number of pro players on it that an NFL franchise has on it which is 100% all professional players. A 19 year old QB just lit them up. If you take that same QB and put him against an NFL defense tomorrow, he is going to have a terrible game. You put that kid against the Bills defense and he won't throw for 100 yards and probably has 5 picks. He isnt ready to play against an NFL defense...yet he just lit up this legendary Bama D I heard about all year and he did it with a mix of players who will make the NFL and guys who will never go pro. The entire Clemson offense is not going to all be NFL players, and the ones that do make the NFL are not all going to be good long term starters. Clemson defense, which was NOT as touted by anyone here as highly as the Bama defense, just shut down Bama's offense. An NFL defense will crush them even more than Clemson did, especially the Bills. Not one of these kids has taken one snap in an NFL practice let alone played a game. NFL rookies week 1 are playing their first game...but yet they have spent 7 months learning the pro game, going through practice, camp, preseason etc. And yet, most rookies still are not impactful week 1 of their professional careers. I would say its safe to say that 95%+ of all rookies do not make a week 1 impact that is even notable. Now you are expecting a team of college kids who dont even have those 7 months of NFL work to come in on day 1 and compete strongly against a professional football team...thats quite the reach. Not to mention, many of the kids on that team who probably eventually make the NFL aren't ready to go to the NFL today and will go back to school at least another year. College teams look dominant because they are facing other college teams made up of mostly players that will never make the pros. Yes certain programs play tougher schedules, but those "tough" teams still have more kids on their roster that won't play in the pros than kids that will. Everyone, especially the media, was obviously wrong about Bama's dominance, its not even disputable. Just like they were wrong earlier this year when they said Duke could beat the Cavs who then went out and lost to a college team like a week later. Bama got destroyed by one of their peers. Wasnt even a game. They will not beat an NFL team, nor cover the spread.

Couple of things: One, they collected the best players in all of college football...thats a MASSIVE difference than just a random college football team that has a lot of its players that will never play a down of professional football. Two, the game is substantially different today. The NFL players are so much bigger and faster than college kids. Players now a days have so much technology, training, etc that goes into them that they are still substantially getting bigger and stronger once in the pros. Three, the modern games today are vastly different. The NFL is so far ahead of the college game in complexity, schemes, and speed compared to the old days, especially in the passing game. He wasnt wrong...a college "team" is no where close to the same thing as a college "all star" team. Not even comparable, not to mention the different eras and how different todays games are.

Well you use FA and the draft picks to fix the OL.

Ha very true

Was literally going to write this same sentence word for word lol, beat me to it