Mark80

Justin Herbert is 4th QB taken. Burrow, Tua, and Love ahead of him.

Its 2020. No f'n way. The dude got caught on a public forum. Just think about how many times he thinks it and says it in private. And, to top it all off, no sponsor will ever touch him again.

So no mention of the The Mountain?

How do we not have a face palm emoji in those options?

I don't believe you are getting a "stud" WR to groom in the mid/late second. Those guys are gone in the first and early second IMO. Sure, there are Metcalf's, but that's the exception to the rule in my opinion. Also we already have a stud RB and if you are taking WR at 2 then the best RBs are gone by the pick in 3. To me, Delpit is much more or a certainty then the 7th or 8th WR taken most likely in the second or the 5th best RB in the 3rd (if even that is available).

I don't understand this talk about WR being an immediate need. We have our 2 outside guys, we have our slot guy, we have our receiving TE, and Singletary is working on his receiving game and we have some young guys to develop. Where is the need here? What am I missing? Is is simply for just a big body guy? Isn't that Duke's potential role? Not trying to be a jerk, I'm genuinely curious as to the thought process here. However, DE is a glaring need IMO.

That's a weird bold prediction, but in Beane's case it certainly is one. I agree that his tackling showed some holes in 2019. However, when watching him in 2017 and 2018 I didn't see that nearly as much. It seemed to me that in 2019 (and less so in previous years, but a little) he was too aggressive at times going for the big play, the big hit (which he is capable of). I think that can be coached somewhat.

I feel a lot of you guys are severely underestimating how good this guy is. He would not be trading up for "another db". He would be getting an elite level prospect for chump change. This guy is a top 5 talent. Was going into the season and still is IMO. If you wouldn't trade a 2 and a 3 for a top 5 talent prospect, well, I don't know what to tell you then. I watch a lot of college football, watched him in 2017, 2018, and 2019. He is an absolute stud and a game changing safety (when he is not playing on an injured ankle at least). I may have to save this thread and re-visit it with a lot of "i told you so"s in 2 or 3 years. But, hey, lets make sure we keep our 3rd round draft pick for some guy who will make little to no impact as opposed to moving up a bit for a potential all-pro safety, a position we are going to have to fill in one or two years and one we have no depth at. Oh, and he can play now in big nickel packages too.

Don't get stuck on the late first aspect of the idea. Say Beane values him as worth his #2 and #3 pick (as an example only). He starts offering that to teams towards end of first. If they pass and dont take him, then offer the same thing for the next pick until someone accepts it or he is taken. Eventually it will get into the second round I'm sure in this scenario as most likely no one would accept that deal in the 1st. Its about determining what they think he is worth and offering that, not offering what they think the pick they are trading up for is worth necessarily. Hope that makes sense. I'm moving up because players age quickly. Just because we have 2 decent safeties now, doesn't mean we will re-sign them when they run out. It gives us ability to let either of them walk after their deals. Plus, he is plug and play right now in a bigger nickel set up so he still has value immediately. I wouldn't want to be offering a 1st next year or anything like that. Its creating a value for him (as I said in another reply) and seeing if you can get a buyer as he drops. So, if they think he is worth a 2 and a 4 start offering that to teams towards late first. Sure, they will not accept most likely, but then you move on to the next team picking until either he is picked, or your offer (at your value of him) is accepted. We offer up value of the player in our minds, not necessarily the perceived value of the pick. To me, a 2 and a 4 for him is well worth it if you can get a team to accept that before he is taken.

Way to take it to a completely illogical extreme. Nice job Bill. You can pick any draft position and any player position and cherry pick a busted pick.

I start looking at my options in late first, yes. I know what I want to pay and I keep trying (not going beyond that) if he keeps falling until someone picks him or takes my offer. Please tell me what positions we are allowed to consider in the first round oh wise one. I sure as hell would take Derwin James in the first round and Delpit was seen as a better college performer and draft prospect until his ankle injury.

Again, he played with an ankle issue all last year. And despite that, his tape still was pretty good. And if you don't think he's a tackler then you haven't really looked into him at all or watched him play. I saw him line up on the line next to the DE, shed blocks, and tackle running backs at the line or even behind it a number a times. His tape from 2017 and especially 2018 is outstanding. Thats why he was projected as a top 5 pick early in this season. He had no flaws whatsoever.

Grant Delpit is a top 10 talent. He battled through some injuries this season which seems to be impacting his stock big time. He is now showing as late 1st / early 2nd in most projections. I still think he is a stud and is getting severely underrated draft stock wise. If I'm Beane and I see him sliding to the end of the first, I am heavily considering trading up for him. I know, I know, we have hyde, we have poyer....but for how long? Delpit is a game changing S IMO who makes plays down the field and can also play in the box and make plays too. I love his flexibility and play making ability. Plus, by the accounts I have seen at least, he is a tremendous locker room presence. I think we are in the position to draft best player available over needs at this point, a huge advantage in building and maintaining a team. If I can package my 2 and a mid-rounder for him I'm doing it all day long. Edit for confusion: I'm not saying give up the farm to move back into the first. I'm saying determine what you are willing to give up for him (maybe 2 and 4, maybe 2 and 3), and start making offers towards the end of the first. Keep offering the teams on the clock that value until he is picked or someone accepts it. No, I do not want them trading a first next year or anything crazy like that. Thanks.

You clearly have not done enough drugs in your life.

You realize he forced his way out of there and is now on the LA Rams, right?

Dude, all you had to do was say Whiskey and you got Scotch, Rye, Bourbon, etc. all covered. Whiskey Rum Vodka Angostora Bitters Martini Dry Vermouth Kahlua for white russians Ginger beer for mules that's all i need.

Andre Roberts catches everything and never fumbles. Meanwhile, Leodis McKelvin single handedly lost us games because of him fumbling kicks. No thank you.

I like a long song that rewards you for making it through. This one does that at 16:24. Just a great little section and all the way to the end is fantastic. It's really 45 mins long, but I don't really like "Part 2"

Ha! Ha! You like Nickelback.

Only Gus Johnson can save MNF.

I think he should have discussed his draft tendency to be aggressive and package picks (after acquiring picks too so he can be flexible) to move up for the guys he wants, which I am a big fan of.

Sounds kind of like what brought down some poker sites. Instead of living off the fees, they were living off of cash in the accounts and when it crashed they couldn't pay out. Seems to me that stubhub shouldn't be living off the money from the tickets just in case they needed to refund them. They should have been living off the fees.

53 - Free Willy

The point is, its not comparing apples to apples. They want the same play to dominate a significantly lesser sport. Guess what, if the mens team was in that sport it would dominate the womens team as well as all the others. If they want to be paid the same then they should be playing with the men in one league. But claiming the same pay, same resources, same opportunities etc., for a totally distinct league is craziness. Then they make a huge deal about it, but don't have the guts to boycott the World Cup or anything meaningful at all really. Please.

Oh please. The men would destroy them in a game. Absolutely destroy them.