HardyBoy

I have no basis of football understanding at an actual Xs and Os level to know if what I'm saying makes sense, but I feel it's more elite qbs can play at an elite level in various different systems and high level schemes and that allows coaches to design offensive gameplans that take advantage of the actual players on the field, which could be even different on different sides of the field, or by formation/player grouping. You can make players better by being good, but they'll be even better if they can do what they do best, and with a fixed system qb it is limiting because it's hard to find players that are all good at the same thing.

Bledsoe was a stop gap short term, and I'll definitely give you Losman, that was a good QB draft and they just missed out on big ben, and JP very well could have been ruined by the org more than being a bust. Who were the available qbs the year they drafted Mike Williams? Edit: ooff, bad qb draft. David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey in the first round...amazing talent at other positions scattered in that first round though.

Allen is the only qb taken in the top 10 by the bills since kelly...they never seriously invested in trying to get an elite qb, and the goal always seemed like it was to overpay for Fitzpatrick, which is exactly the point op is making.

Don't think it's a bad take. Isn't the list of super bowl winning qbs the last 20 years basically Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Manning, Big Ben, Wilson and Mahomes? I know there's a random Foles mixed in every now and then, but the vast majority of super bowls the last 20 years have been won by very few QBs, and they're the elite of elite. I think the point is the goal is to get one of those elite qbs (which I am hoping Allen is), if you don't think you did, don't compound the mistake and give out an elite level contract. Edit: I left off Brees. Other than that the only three other winning qbs since 2000 have been Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

The "only thing he can catch is covid" jokes are in poor taste and not really clever at all. There is a chance he develops long term impacts from this, but good to know who doesn't value players as humans...classy...wonder how many people laughing about Knox testing positive were indignant when others were saying someone else had it coming to him. Do better please.

I was thinking the same thing the other day, but it's still too early...not too early for this thread though, definitely something that needs to be followed the rest of the year. That said, with the difficulty of this schedule, I'm thinking there will be a lot of close games if their record will be good, which most likely doesn't mean a huge positive point differential...anyway to find point differential by strength of schedule maybe?

That might be what they're hoping for.

Is libel able to be included in a conspiracy charge? Have to imagine bank, insurance and tax fraud committed by increasing or decreasing valuations to get loans/pay less taxes definitely would be. Totally hypothetical question, not asking specific to anyone.

I haven't read this whole thread at all, not even one post, but heading into his third or fourth season, and he was primed for a breakout year...then tore his acl in the preseason, because it was already partially torn and he opted against surgery...didn't want someone beating the bills, but I had a lot of dolphin friends and am not rooting against them, just that the bills would beat them (I'm not going to kick mediocre teams while they're down, give me fun competition!). I was living in South Florida his entire career, so was following him pretty closely...dude was on the verge of breaking out that year and had a lost season because he chose to rehab instead of have a lost off season basically, which I'm not one to judge that choice, Bruce made a similar choice I believe. I'm not surprised he's playing like this, it's what I was expecting him to do the second to last season in Miami...that said, I'd much rather have Allen.

You want the NFC West to win to help the bills strength of common opponents for non-AFC East tie breakers. That's where the classic/infamous "logic" a few years back of the bills losing against the nfc team helping the bills more than a win.

I'm usually rooting for a loss against an nfc team, because increas'd playoff chances...

Absolutely, and I'm not going to get into a discussion on incubation period, but just look at it logically. He tested positive on the Monday test after testing negative on the Saturday test. That means he likely would have tested positive anywhere in between those two days...right in the middle...that's Sunday at 4pm. They should pause for a week to prevent a potential issue that could be contained from spreading and being uncontrollable in my opinion. I truly and really hope that is the case. I mean makes sense, but I would think a sneeze in the face more than equals 15 minutes talking in a closed space (feel like an nfl play could cause someone to breath out real hard on contact on the lines). I'm not a doctor or a scientists though, but man that would be great to see no Bills players test positive because of what it means in the larger scheme of things with this virus. Also, agree, I thought Diggs got the first.

No, they were exposed because they played against someone who tested positive a day or two after the game. I'm not saying the Bills Raiders game should have been postponed because of the charity event, most likely that did not lead to an infection, though for sure a chance...I'm saying the Bills Titans game should be postponed because they played against someone who tested positive on the first test following the game and their last negative test was from Saturday, which was farther back in time than the test they took after the game.

Maybe I'm basing it too much off the season ticket holders I was sitting next to that got tickets the year they started and go to every game (super nice too). Like I said I'm basing it off a super small personal experience so definitely could be a little, or a lot off.

Why we moved from South Florida to Raleigh three weeks ago (well one of the many, but a significant factor). I think the lack of a state income tax is really causing issues, especially where the majority of the taxes come from tourist taxes (which I'm guessing that stadiums fall into). Why they don't just come out and say that is anyone's guess, and not to be pondered here, but everything is geared around tourist taxes basically. Like the Marlins baseball stadium...funded by tourist taxes...believe guarented by Miami, or Dade County or something...could get real ugly if they default on that debt, and that's the main reason they're doing this in my opinion (not just Marlins Park, but lack of tax revenue).

Not in the whole galaxy, dare I say the universe!

Nah, was at the Bills Jags playoff game in 2017...they have solid fans and the stadium wasn't more than 20% Bills fans. They can't fill the stadium, sure, but their die hards are solid and there's plenty of them (obviously probably a bit of a reach to base it off a playoff game, but I saw enough to get a feel).

They really should have cut it to a 14 game schedule, getting rid of the two games determined by your record against the two conference divisions you aren't playing against. Then split the league into two separate parts (you could even do more parts with a bye week after each quarter of the season), but let's go with two for now. If there is an outbreak in Part A then pause that half for the week, but you still get games from the other half of the league (I think splitting it into more parts with the schedule segmented for when the parts within the half of the league switch). Ex. Have the AFC East play the NFC West then bye week break. Then AFC East plays against themselves the next three weeks followed by a bye week or even two (remember only 14 games). Then AFC East plays the AFC West bye week. Then finish the season against the AFC East. If there is an outbreak, you know in advance which teams have crossover and you can pause that entire part of the league while still playing games in the other segments.

The bills players were exposed to the virus against the Raiders. Gilmore testing positive exposes the talking point of a single positive test today meaning only one player has it so the game should be played. Pause the season for a week across the entire league and shift week 5 back a week. Why go through the headache of juggling a schedule, just lift and shift. It's not like the venues have to deal with scheduling around concerts and other events right now. I can't even imagine being Morse and trying to prepare for an NFL game right now.

Lol, it means established and spreading within the community. To your point, this whole thing feels like an enny (or what I'd expect).

Absolutely, and this is not me wishing Zay back on the team...I'm just saying his biggest issue his rookie year wasn't getting open, it was getting his hands in a catching position early enough. If Allen is throwing with more touch, maybe he has more leeway with his hand positioning and he has fewer drops. Maybe if he isn't worried Allen is going to throw him a hospital ball, because Allen understands defenses, he doesn't form a habit of aligator arming passes over the middle. He has fewer drops, maybe he doesn't put as much pressure on himself and maybe he doesn't have the mental break that leads to the issue in the hotel room (unless he was on synthetic weed, which was never reported iirc). He never developed into his potential (or hasn't yet), my question is if he was playing with Josh Allen now would things be different in his development. Also, this is a pertinent question for what happens after Allen is off his rookie deal and likely doesn't have this amazing wr room because of the cap. He is going to need to make ok receivers good, like Aaron Rogers does. There likely will be another player like Zay Jones drafted by this team, and I'll be really curious to see how that player develops while being forced to contribute as a big part of the offense early.

If Allen had those touch passes, I'm thinking things go differently for Zay in Buffalo. I'm not saying he's a star #1 in that situation by any means, but his drop issues would have been much less. He got open, but he was too slow getting his hands up in time and Allen was largley only throwing super fast. Of course the what if could be what if he got a chance to play with Diggs, Brown and Beasley and be able to be in the Gabriel Davis role (not saying I'd rather have Zay over Gabriel on the team), but I think his biggest issue was he was slow getting his hands ready to catch and if the ball was coming earlier, but slower from Allen like it is this year, he would have had a lot more success.

Loved they set it up the first play of the game and then faked it over and over until the perfect moment. Like we're gonna run this all day, joking we're just gonna fake it the rest of the day until the most important play of the game. There is a bunch of research in psychology about this type of stuff. I honestly think they might be looking at how the brain processes different looks and patterns and are using that cause surprise and gain an edge.

That one I could at least see as being because it was a bad angle for ref and Milano sold it well. The Brown play is the most confusing thing I've seen since the "int" last week. He caught the ball, both feet down, ball across the plane...done. Fine, you want to say he has to make a football move or go through the ground, great, but where the ball was the moment the two feet, or knee or whatever hit when the ball is no longer out of control is where the ball should be. By this logic, a receiver catching the ball in the back of the endzone and falling out of bounds would be considered and incomplete pass. Genuinely, this was the worst call I've ever seen, probably worse than the "int" from last week. For crying out loud, this gets rid of all toe tapping catches as incomplete passes because they're out of bounds at time of the football move/going through the ground. Riveron seriously needs to go.

Can we add posts like "this topic is already being discussed in a different thread" to the point worthy list? Especially in threads that spin out of a broad general conversation and have say four pager potential? Just a total hypothetical...let's say there is a thread about Josh Allen's mechanics and someone starts a thread talking about the new things Daboll is able to add to the offense now that JA has improved his mechanics. The second thread might have spun out of, or even been inspired by the first thread, but talking about Daboll's offense at length in the mechanics thread would be off topic for that thread. Also, the two threads likely would interest different segments of the board and increase engagement (especially if the other thread has 20+ pages). The mods are actually pretty good about either letting the thread stand alone if it is a solid standalone thread, or if it is a bit redundant, but a lot of people are engaging that weren't in the 20+ page thread they'll let the convo go a bit and then merge when it slows down to give people a chance that weren't around for the start of the other thread to chat together. The people posting that the convo is already happening elsewhere, when it clearly isn't a duplicate thread is super annoying. Report it is you feel the need, and let the mods make a decision on if it should merge.