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Getting some of TBD's more football knowledgeable posters involved like @Rochesterfan by way of example would be ideal.

I would try if you guys would have me. Sounds fun

I like it You get a voice on Monday.

Your post isn't specific to Beane in particular. It's defense of pretty much every NFL front office for the past few decades. With that in mind, I'd like to take a trip down memory lane, to the 2006 draft. Marv Levy was the Bills' GM, Dick Jauron was the head coach. Levy/Jauron used the 8th overall pick to draft Donte Whitner, SS. Then, they traded back up into the first round, to take John McCargo, DT. Nick Mangold, C, was drafted one pick later. A number of fans decried these picks. Many wanted the 8th overall pick to be used on Ngata, a defensive lineman. I personally wanted the Bills to take Jay Cutler, QB. Many, including myself, wanted the Bills to take Mangold. Whitner was not a bad player, but he never came anywhere close to living up to his lofty draft position. Ngata had a great career, and was much better than Whitner. Cutler played well for the Broncos for a number of years. When they finally traded him away, they received 2 first round picks, Kyle Orton, and some other stuff. That's two more first round picks, one more Kyle Orton, and one more instance of other stuff than the Bills received for the departure of Whitner. Whitner went first-contract-and-out. McCargo was a bust, and Mangold was the NFL's best center for a long number of years. The Bills made do with a backup caliber center, in the form of Melvin Fowler. In the late '70s, during the middle of a game, Notre Dame benched their starting QB. They put in a backup instead. The crowd started cheering. "What is going on?" asked a reporter from the opposing team. "We just put Joe Montana in the game," a Notre Dame reporter replied. "Now you guys are going to lose." The fans recognized what Notre Dame had in Joe Montana before the coaching staff did. Excessive knowledge is not a substitute for insight. Sometimes, the fans are right, and coaches or front offices are wrong. Beane is a better GM than Levy/Jauron, and he's not going to do anything as boneheaded as drafting Donte Whitner 8th overall. But even Beane can make avoidable mistakes. If or when a GM or coach makes an avoidable mistake, it will often be pointed out by at least some fans. To broadly label all fan criticisms "Debi from Depew" demonstrates a lack of knowledge of the last 20 years of this team's history.

Kyle Williams and Mario Williams. I'm not concerned with Josh Allen and his ability to put up points. Lee Evans isn't anything special. We didn't have peak TO. Stevie Johnson would've dropped any important pass, so ill pass. Eric Moulds career started before the drought era and doesn't qualify for this. The Bills DL is absolutely unquestionably pathetic going on three Playoffs in a Row. Add those two guys in their Buffalo Prime to the current Bills and the Bills are 2 - 1 against the Chiefs in the playoffs. 13 seconds never would've happened and the Bills would've won this past year where we badly needed our DL to create a rush. People here are complaining about not addressing receiver and I keep looking at the DL and wondering when they're gonna show up in the playoffs against the Chiefs or Bengals? Beane needs to either trade, sign, or draft a stud Dend next off season because Rosseau though very good isn't great and the Bills need a great dend to truly become a consistent Superbowl threat.

Just finished it. Definitely top 3 behind the Charlie Sheen and Larry the Cable Guy Roast. Based on my personal comedic tastes I'd rank the roasters 1. Andrew Schulz (pure comedic talent) 2. Tony Hinchcliffe(quick wit) 3. Nikki Glaser (savage until the school girl crush bit) 4. Bill Belichick (very good) 5. Kevin Hart (did a good job hosting) 6. Jeff Ross (he was funny but he wasn't at his best) 7. Sam Jay (most grounded in a funny way) 8. Julian Edelman (savage in a shocking and slightly uncomfortable way) 9. Manning and Brady (Both are talents and you can tell work hard at everything they do) 10. Drew Bledsoe (funny and played the poor sap well) Randy Moss, Ben Affleck, Dana White, Robert Kraft, Kim Kardashian, and Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer were meh. Gronk is ridiculous. I was either laughing or he was cringe. Who finds Will Farrell funny? The Bills and Buffalo definitely took the most shots although that Jets front office joke was the most savage. Netflix missed out not having Bill Burr. Boston guy who would've slayed. Those complaining about any of the jokes. Please go see the comedy police and stop ruining everyone else's fun.

I respect your thought process. You could well be right about all of this. But I'm not 100% sure. I want to zero in on our most recent playoff loss to the Chiefs. Bills receivers had 160 yards of drops. You look at Coleman's game, and some of his best attributes are his ability to defeat press coverage, and his strong tendency to actually catch the football. The hope is that Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid will have a lot less than 160 yards of drops. While that hope may or may not come to fruition, at least it's rational. Then you look at the Bills defense. Under McDermott, the Bills defense has never generated more than two stops in a playoff game against the Chiefs or the Bengals. All we have to do to be better on playoff defense is to generate at least three stops against the Chiefs. Cole Bishop could be better at covering Kelce than anyone was in our most recent postseason loss. We also have a bunch of defenders coming back from injury. Like, a bunch. The real question is whether McDermott/Babich will call a soft zone/prevent defense against the Chiefs, or whether they'll use something that actually works. This Bills defense definitely has the talent to generate 3+ stops against the Chiefs. Whether it will have the right defensive game plan remains to be seen.

Mario Moulds

To me, it's Eric Moulds and Mario Williams and it's not even close. Kyle Williams would be great. But Oliver is very solid and we don't have the hole or question mark at 3T that we do at WR and DE.

You make a good point. I was unimpressed with Ken Dorsey. It's hard to fairly evaluate Brady, because he was stuck using a playbook designed by someone else. That said, taking the ball out of our best player's hands, and having James Cook run it up the middle instead for a 3 yard gain, hardly seems like a stroke of Bill Walsh level genius. Brady has the whole offseason to prepare. This time around, it will be his playbook. I'm sure he had considerable input into the decision to draft Coleman and sign Curtis Samuel. By the end of the season, we should have a pretty good gauge on what we have or don't have in the form of Joe Brady.

DE Aaron Schobel, WR Eric Moulds, I can only imagine if Moulds had a Josh Allen back in the day how good those teams would have been.

Is this really the feeling around here? That we make a trade or do nothing at all? If he can't get a deal done or doesn't want to pay the price it would cost - you'd prefer Hollins and Shorter or Hollins and Claypool on the Outside to start the year over guys like Thomas, MVS, or Robinson that are at least marginally better players and have more starting experience? Yikes. I'm talking about the time I spent putting my thoughts down. A lot of it doesn't appear to be common knowledge around here as many still say things like "we'll be starting Samuel and Shakir on the Outside", "we should sign Tyler Boyd or Hunter Renfrow", the common refrain of "why didn't we double down?", or people thinking the signings of Claypool and Cephus definitively spell the end of additions to the room.

I'd divide "best" into two categories. There's best in the regular season. Separately, there's best in the postseason. If you look at regular season accomplishments, Diggs is ahead of Reich by a lot. Not even close. But then you look at postseason accomplishments. In the recent playoff game against the Chiefs, Allen averaged 2.6 yards per attempt when targeting Diggs. (3 receptions on 8 targets, for 21 yards.) Compare that to Reich, who in the playoffs achieved the greatest comeback in NFL history. And then played well in the following week's postseason game. Reich's postseason play absolutely destroys that of Diggs. If you value regular season play over the postseason, then sure, go ahead and vote for Diggs. Nothing wrong with that. But Diggs didn't show up in any of our postseason losses. I respect your position, but there's a very strong argument to be made for Reich as well.

By the draft, they'll be downgraded to a 6th and 7th. 'cause Bills.

Guys like him getting drafted feels like the Tyreek Hill Effect. TH is fast af so clearly that’s the sauce. Just go find guys that are fast af and you can field a squad of TH’s and be unbeatable. Teams finding out it doesn’t work that way.

Different definitions of playoff drought players. Definition 1: A player who played playoff games with the Bills early in his career, but who went on to spend time in the playoff drought. Two guys I'd take from this category: Ted Washington and Eric Moulds. Ted Washington was a mountain of a man. Despite regularly being double-teamed, he made a lot of plays. You look at his statistics, and you think, this is really good for a NT. Eric Moulds was a true #1 WR, who had over 200 yards of receptions in the playoff game against Miami. Definition 2: A player who started his Bills career during the drought, but hung around just long enough to see the drought broken. Guys I'd take from this category: Kyle Williams and Eric Wood. Williams was the Bills' best drought-era draft pick, and would make a major contribution to the interior of the DL. Wood was a good player, but not of the same caliber as Williams. He'd provide much-needed help at center. Definition 3: A player who entered the league as a Bill during the drought, and who didn't sniff the playoffs while in a Bills uniform. Guys I'd take in this category: Jason Peters (LT) and Fred Jackson (RB). Jason Peters is a Hall of Fame LT, and in his prime would be a prize addition to just about any team. Fred Jackson was a surprisingly good RB, great instincts, and overall very solid football player. Definition 4: Players who spent most of their careers elsewhere, but who came to the Bills late career for a short duration. (This definition is ridiculous, btw.) Guys I'd take in this category: Terrell Owens (HOF), WR. Frank Gore (HOF), RB.

Yes, but Tyreek Hill wasn't invited to the combine. His pro day work out would have been #9.

This would really be helping KC.

In the playoff game against the Chiefs, Diggs had 3 receptions on 8 targets, for 21 yards. When targeting Diggs, Allen averaged 2.6 yards per attempt. Allen's career average is 7.2 yards per attempt. Now look at the Bills in 2018. They had their worst opening day QB starter (Nate Peterman) in a very long time. Kelvin Benjamin and Andre Holmes may have been the worst starting pair of WRs in this team's history. Arguably the worst OL in the team's history. Nate Peterman averaged 3.6 yards per attempt in 2018. What Diggs did against the Chiefs in the playoffs was even worse than the Nate Peterman offensive disaster in 2018. Let that sink in. It's not like that game was a one time thing. Diggs had a habit of not showing up in playoff games against the Chiefs. When the Bills approached him about taking a pay cut, he said he wasn't interested. At that point, the numbers made the decision very easy. Not every highly paid receiver is Stephon Diggs. Some other highly paid WRs actually produce in the playoffs. Think about the Arizona Cardinals, back when they had Kurt Warner as their QB. Not much about that team was special, except their QB, and their WR corps (Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin). Their QB + receivers were good enough to get them to the Super Bowl, and almost good enough for them to win it. It absolutely can make sense to pay big bucks to a WR, assuming you're paying the right guy.

Goodwin was a nice kid who couldn’t stay healthy because of his size. Would much rather have bigger, stronger wideouts who can take the punishment that comes with the position.

Don has never sacrificed a single thing in his entire life.

Has anyone here ever shot a dog?

Alot more than 56% of teams do foolish things during an NFL season. Once Von is jettisoned after this season, we'll be left with AJE (3.7 sacks/yr) and Groot (5.6 sacks/ yr). That's terrifying.....better hope Solomon blows up or BB uses some of that 25' cap on a pass rusher.

Ben Affleck definitely seemed to be overly defending of his loverboy after bringing up what appeared was a Bills fan posting on his social media. Or maybe it was a fan of Belicheck. I don’t know. Either way, Affleck definitely wanted to sit in his lap for that few minutes.

I could live with Michael Thomas on a vet minimum.