Captain Caveman Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Nothing. I was shoving a stick into RayFinkle. Actually, he should be convicted for starting threads that have already been started. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=92825 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenyc80 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 well i didnt see it, my fault, new too this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilbuffalobob Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Anyone that buys one of these pizzas deserves the tip-over in the port-o-potty treatment and should be severely beaten and dowsed with hot grease. Buying the JJ pie makes the unacceptable (suddenly) acceptable. I can't accept that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarkLessWagMore Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 well i didnt see it, my fault, new too this... me to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 well i didnt see it, my fault, new too this... Don't worry. There is nothing too small here that we won't crab about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 me to +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenyc80 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 +1 dude i went to that cardinals game freezen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 http://joefromnyc.blogspot.com/2009/08/speechless.html 90 BUCKS FOR A PIZZA!! makes you think twice about complaining about 10 bucks for a beer at the stadium Isn't it against the law on this board to promote your own web sites? Your username is part of the URL for the link! It's not like Tim Graham links to his blog on ESPN when he posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Anyone that buys one of these pizzas deserves the tip-over in the port-o-potty treatment and should be severely beaten and dowsed with hot grease. Anyone that pays $90 for a pizza doesn't use a port-o-potty, they use a bathroom like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 I don't understand what this has to do with Ralph "competing". Luxury box and many club seats revenue is not shared by teams...they get to keep it all to themselves... Not to mention in addition to the luxury boxes, people are being forced to plunk down anywhere from $2,000 to $50,000 for the right to buy a one time seat license if they want to be a season ticket holder, which does not include season tickets, which are an additional $800 to $3500 per season. At least they offer a 30 year financing option at 8-8.5% interest depending on the seats... Talk about raping the public.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 If you do the math on this, assuming that the box seats 12 and that the tickets and food cost conservatively $300 per person per game, you end up with a per person cost per game of almost $7000 (even the pre-season games). Once upon a time, he may have been able to get that, but I suspect he'll come up woefully short in the current economy. If he's counting on such prices to cover the cost of his financing, JJ may be in big trouble, especially since I believe that the 'Pokes are his only real source of revenue (unlike other owners who have other business interests.) If Mr. WEO is right on JJ's total nut on the financing (that seemed a bit low to me, since it's a $1.5B stadium, so I would have expected the amount financed to be more like $1 to 1.2B, but who knows), then even at 8% interest (I suspect it's likely higher than that), that's still nearly $50 million in debt service. If his debt is reallly higher then he may be facing more like $100-120 million plus in debt service annually. I wonder what the League would do if JJ went belly up? Talk about a black eye for the League..... would never happen...the NFL would quietly float him a loan like they have when other stadiums are built... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I never made the claim that other owners aren't subsidized to a degree. However, there is no other owner who complains more about other teams generating more revenue than he does without acknowledging that he is being subsidized by those other more wealthy teams. The reality is that in his late shriviled up stage of ownership his advice is quickly dismissed by most of the owners. He is a has been who has lost touch with today's reality. The Bills have been inept for half a generation in a league designed for parity. Success in any organization starts at the top. Where is the accountability??? Yeah, ignoring his advice got them...the last CBA, that they tossed the first chance they could get. But hey, they were "smart enough to include an opt-out clause!" And the smallest non-community owned team's market with the worst local economy needs to be "subsidized" by the rest of the NFL? Wow, major revelation there, JohnC! Nevermind that Ralph was one of the men who helped create this powerful league before any of the "new guard" owners even made their first million. Let me ask you, would you favor Ralph raising prices so as to not be "subsidized" by the rest of the league? What do you think that would do to attendance figures? And why should you care if Ralph is subsidized by the other owners, as long as he doesn't pass it on to the fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Luxury box and many club seats revenue is not shared by teams...they get to keep it all to themselves... Not to mention in addition to the luxury boxes, people are being forced to plunk down anywhere from $2,000 to $50,000 for the right to buy a one time seat license if they want to be a season ticket holder, which does not include season tickets, which are an additional $800 to $3500 per season. At least they offer a 30 year financing option at 8-8.5% interest depending on the seats... Talk about raping the public.... and it goes towards raising the cap. Unfair to most team, not just the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Ralph Wilson is always complaining about how he can't compete against the high revenue teams. What the grouchy owner doesn't talk about is the fact that the stadium his team plays in was built and refurbished for him without a single penny of his own contribution. Do you think that Jerry Jones wants to hear whining from the greedy Bills owner who doesn't have the responsibility to pay off expensive stadium bonds that he has? Do you think Jerry Jones wants to hear how he pays up to the cap and the Bills weasel owner's team is much under the cap, and then pockets the difference? Do you think that Jerry Jones wants to hear the standard complaint about money from Buffalo's out of touch owner and then see him decline money for the naming rights of the stadium because he wants the staduim he didn't pay for named after him. What stupidity. Do you think Jerry Jones wants to hear how the complaining owner of the losing Bills makes a sweetheart deal with a Toronto group to have games played in Toronto, and then pockets all the upfront money without any inclination of investing some those extra ducats into a decade losing team? Ralph Wilson is publicly (tax dollars) and leaguewise one of the most subsidized owners in the league. The owners in the league ignore his tiresome irrationall rants out of respect and courtesy to his elderly age. He is an embarrassment. Do you think Wilson wants to hear from Jones after he spent the better part of 40 years helping to build the league from virtually nothing into the biggest sports league on the planet and now Jones is able to make all the money off his hard work? It goes both ways remember...Jones is only in the position he is in because of people like Wilson who came before him and helped make the NFL what it is today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Do you think Wilson wants to hear from Jones after he spent the better part of 40 years helping to build the league from virtually nothing into the biggest sports league on the planet and now Jones is able to make all the money off his hard work? It goes both ways remember...Jones is only in the position he is in because of people like Wilson who came before him and helped make the NFL what it is today... And I hate emoticons. But I have to tip a glass to the point you just made. The Jones', Krafts', and Snyders' of the league won't be happy until the NFL is their version of Major League Baseball where the top 5 or 6 teams are served by the rest of the league's farm teams. Thank God guys like RW, Rozelle, Mara, etc. had the foresight to make sure that ALL teams shared in the economic boom that the TV contracts produced as a result of the league's popularity. And all done, like you said when these new owners were just sittin' in the stands as fans. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie in Dallas Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I live in dallas and even the LOCALS think this is insane and will backfire on Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 would never happen...the NFL would quietly float him a loan like they have when other stadiums are built... They already did "float him a loan"--the $150 million G3 fund money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason268152 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 They already did "float him a loan"--the $150 million G3 fund money. Why haven't you gone away yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Over the past decade the Bills NFL record ranks 29 out of 32. The Bills have not been in the playoffs for nine consecutive years; this year will make it an even 10 consecutive years. The person he promoted to run the losing organization is a marketing specialist. The Bills owner is an embarrassment. To make the claim that Buffalo's owner is smarter and more capable than the owner of the Cowboys is absurd and laughable. So you're suggesting that the Cowboys and their zero playoffs wins this decade is the way to go? Despite all of JJ's spending and marketing, the Cowboys have had little more success than the Bills since the mid 90s. So, how is he doing so much better than Ralph at putting a winning product on the field. I'd say, dollar for dollar/win for win, Ralph is running circles around Jones as an owner. And he's doing it without bankrupting the franchise while simultaneously defending the rights of small market teams and preserving the longevity of the league. But go ahead and say Ralph suck because he didn't sell the naming rights to the stadium like Jones did. Oh wait.... I'm sorry what point are you trying to make again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Why haven't you gone away yet? Hey kid, are you due back in "med school" about now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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