Houston Texans RB detained while Mother-in Law dies

[sbin04]

It's not all just racial. Here's a guy who's 83 year old mother died in the backseat of his truck just a mile from the hospital as a cop wrote him a ticket...

 

Mom dies while cop writes ticket

[Tipster19]

Did they change the 100 for you?

 

No.

[Magox]

Well, he is a public servant, and basic common sense is required for pretty much every job in both the public and private sectors. Here his supervisors are saying he lacks it, even in hindsight. He doesn't see anything wrong with how he handled the situation. Some folks just aren't cut out for police work.

true that

[D_House]

A little more on this:

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...op.3e9c080.html

 

Asked at Thursday's news conference what officers are trained to do in such a situation, Kunkle said even someone with no police training should have known better than to do what Powell did.

[Kevinalbany]

IM NEITHER BUT THANKS FOR PUTTING IT OUT THERE,IM JUST SAYING THAT ITS KIND OF HARD FOR THE COP TO PUT THINGS TOGETHER WHEN PEOPLE ARNT FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS!YEAH HE SHOULD LOSE HIS JOB AND ALL THAT CRAP,WHEN HES MAKING SURE THAT HES GOING TO GET HOME TO HIS FAMILY!!!!WHY DONT YOU PEOPLE PUT YOURSELVES IN THE COPS SHOES?BECAUSE THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING WHERE PEOPLE DONT HAVE THE SLIGHTEST CONCERN FOR LIFE AND JUST KILL COPS FOR A SIMPLE TRAFFIC STOP YEAH HE SHOULDNT BE CONCERNED WITH THAT!YOUR A BUNCH OF FOOLS!!!!

Should his wife have stayed in the car? Yes. But in that situation, I'm sure the last thing on her mind was sitting there while her husband got a traffic ticket "Sorry Mom I know you're one your way out, but.............." there really are very few if any things that would come close to being appropriate to finish that sentence. Did Moats react properly, yes, he responded as respectfully as he could considering the situation, and is seen explaining that his mother in law was in there very close to death. I personally understand that the officer has to look out for his own safety first, and then the public, but all it would have taken was a simple "lets go inside so I can verify this story" before; and almost definitely after the hospital staff iand off duty officer (or showver he is) are seen talking to the patrolman. It probably won't go beyond his slap on the wrist and whatever time they feel is justified on desk duty, but really, c'mon........... if the officer were in the same situation, I'd like to see a white, purple, black, orange, whatever color you can think of person try to stop him from seeing his loved one as they were passing on. Illegal? Probably not, Cold, heartless, and pretty much as cruel as you can be? I'm going to have to say yes.

[Mr. WEO]

No.

 

word.

[tennesseeboy]

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa...d.6f8a23c1.html

 

One thing that was missed from this article - The Cop PULLED HIS GUN on the Moats' wife!

 

I think if this was a "normal" case, him and the city they're in would be getting sued (they still may be).

 

However, in this case with an NFL player I think he may just push for this guy to get fired and let it go there.

This pulling the gun thing is different than life when I was a cop back in the day. Pulling your gun was a BIG thing and you didn't do it unless you had every intention of using it. I'm amazed at the apparent willing to pull your weapon every time there is any tension. Do these cops have any training in common sense?

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Ok, there obviously is a populist sentiment going on right now.

 

People are ready to get the pitchforks out and lynch someone.

 

In no way am I condoning his actions. What I said was that there was no crime committed on his part. Or was there?

 

also, could you please tell me what part of my logic you don't understand?

 

please

 

enlighten me

 

Ok. Even if no crime was committed (which sounds right), would you want a dumb cop who is full of piss and vinegar and lacks common sense patrolling your neighborhood and pulling a gun on your wife? The standard for departmental discipline shouldn't be the low bar of following the law.

 

I'm sorry, but it is clowns like this who give the 99% of honorable, responsible law enforcement officers a bad rep at times.

[Lori]

A little more on this:

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...op.3e9c080.html

 

From that link:

After seeing the video earlier this week, several senior police commanders knew they had a public relations crisis on their hands. A Plano police officer who was present at the March 17 incident had reported it to a superior, who had reported it to a Dallas police supervisor.

So even the other cop on the scene apparently thought Powell was wrong, and thought it was serious enough to report.

[The Dean]

Did the officer "smell pot and see blunts?"

 

 

The car was FILLED with pot smoke.

[Steely Dan]

From that link:

 

So even the other cop on the scene apparently thought Powell was wrong, and thought it was serious enough to report.

 

Moats made a plea to just have the cop write a ticket. Even if he wants to be an icehole he should have just done that. Threatening to "Make his life difficult" is just beyond being a horrible, horrible, human being.

[loyal2dagame]

Florio over at PFT has a good take on this:

 

Report: Powell Drew Gun On Moats’ Wife

Posted by Mike Florio on March 26, 2009, 5:36 p.m.

Lost in the brouhaha that has erupted regarding the shameful (in our opinion) incident that unfolded between Dallas police officer Robert Powell and Texans running back Ryan Moats is a report that Powell drew his gun on Moats’ wife.

 

Apparently, the weapon was pulled at the outset of the confrontation, when Moats’ wife tried to rush inside the nearby hospital.

 

“Get in there,” Powell said. “Let me see your hands. Get in there. Put your hands on the car.”

 

It should have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense that a car with its hazard lights flashing that ran a red light and stopped in the parking lot of a hospital contains people who for whatever reason need to get inside said hospital.

 

This isn’t about Powell’s subsequent perception, right or wrong, that Moats had a bad attitude. From the moment Powell got out of the car, he was wired for a confrontation. Otherwise, he would have let Moats’ wife head to the hospital without incident.

 

The fact that Powell opted not to shoot her when she decided to ignore him proves that Powell knew what was happening. And yet he still opted to act like a royal ass.

 

We realize some are concerned that criticism of police officers might undermine their ability to perform their jobs effectively. We prefer to believe that criticism of those in authority is appropriate, when deserved. Otherwise, Powell and people like him will continue to make the darkest moments of people’s lives unnecessarily darker.

 

 

Mike Florio is way off on this and the bold part of the quote. he must not have family or close friends that are police officers.

"The fact that Powell opted not to shoot her when she decided to ignore him proves that Powell knew what was happening"

 

how ignorant of a statement is that. you cant shoot someone for only disobeying a command. are you friggin kidding me? there are rules to these things.

 

i'm sorry this situtation happened, but was the mother in the hospital long? why wasnt her daughter there with her?

there was no impending danger to anyone in the vehicle causing them to run red lights and speed. no one in the vehicle was injured and being rushed to the hospital. moats broke the law and the police officer is taking a beating for doing his job.

 

anyone who says anything else is crazy.

 

so next time my cousin or brother-in-law pull a car over for speeding and blowing redlights in the middle of the night, they should just let the person go without question if they have a valid excuse?

 

it doesnt always work like that. white,black,red or tan, nfl player or not.

 

the fact that the officer did not pursue moats wife when she ran away says more than anything.

[Lori]

Mike Florio is way off on this and the bold part of the quote. he must not have family or close friends that are police officers.

"The fact that Powell opted not to shoot her when she decided to ignore him proves that Powell knew what was happening"

 

how ignorant of a statement is that. you cant shoot someone for only disobeying a command. are you friggin kidding me? there are rules to these things.

 

i'm sorry this situtation happened, but was the mother in the hospital long? why wasnt her daughter there with her?

there was no impending danger to anyone in the vehicle causing them to run red lights and speed. no one in the vehicle was injured and being rushed to the hospital. moats broke the law and the police officer is taking a beating for doing his job.

 

anyone who says anything else is crazy.

 

so next time my cousin or brother-in-law pull a car over for speeding and blowing redlights in the middle of the night, they should just let the person go without question if they have a valid excuse?

 

it doesnt always work like that. white,black,red or tan, nfl player or not.

 

the fact that the officer did not pursue moats wife when she ran away says more than anything.

They'd been there all day. They were told she was stable, and that they should go home and try to get some rest. Later, they got a phone call saying she'd taken a turn for the worse, she didn't have much time left, and they needed to get there as quickly as they could if they wanted to say goodbye.

 

I've gotten a call like that twice myself. Both times, I made the trip to the hospital -- 20 miles away -- in less than 20 minutes. You're telling me you wouldn't do the same?

 

Moats had his four-ways on. Stopped at the red light, where the only other driver at the intersection waved him through. If I see that, then follow the guy to the hospital, my first thought is that there's some kind of emergency. Instead, while this cop took TWENTY MINUTES to write a ticket and deliver a lecture about "attitude," Moats' mother-in-law died.

 

F%^& this guy.

[nucci]

They'd been there all day. They were told she was stable, and that they should go home and try to get some rest. Later, they got a phone call saying she'd taken a turn for the worse, she didn't have much time left, and they needed to get there as quickly as they could if they wanted to say goodbye.

 

I've gotten a call like that twice myself. Both times, I made the trip to the hospital -- 20 miles away -- in less than 20 minutes. You're telling me you wouldn't do the same?

 

Moats had his four-ways on. Stopped at the red light, where the only other driver at the intersection waved him through. If I see that, then follow the guy to the hospital, my first thought is that there's some kind of emergency. Instead, while this cop took TWENTY MINUTES to write a ticket and deliver a lecture about "attitude," Moats' mother-in-law died.

 

F%^& this guy.

Well said.

[The Dean]

so next time my cousin or brother-in-law pull a car over for speeding and blowing redlights in the middle of the night, they should just let the person go without question if they have a valid excuse?

 

 

Why would you ask a stupid question like that? This isn't a hypothetical situation. It has specific context.

 

They were right in the hospital parking lot. Maybe the officer could have escorted Moat, and his family, into the hospital and checked on the situation, himself. Protect and Serve!

 

And, the very fact that the cops ass is sitting on administrative leave, and his superiors say they are "embarrassed" by his behavior, suggests you are the one out of touch, in this instance.

[Sig1Hunter]

This pulling the gun thing is different than life when I was a cop back in the day. Pulling your gun was a BIG thing and you didn't do it unless you had every intention of using it. I'm amazed at the apparent willing to pull your weapon every time there is any tension. Do these cops have any training in common sense?

 

Maybe because being a cop nowadays is a wee bit different than "back in the day"?

 

I've pulled my weapon (please, no sarcastic comments!) more times than I would like, on the job. Was it because I had every intention of using it? Yes, it was - as a response if a deadly threat presented itself. Do cops always have to wait for the weapon to be displayed before they react? Common sense says no! Its all too easy for everyone to sit back, with knowledge of facts obtained afterwards, and judge the officer based upon facts he knew at the time.

 

In this case, the woman jumps out of the car, refuses to obey the numerous verbal commands of the officer and he draws his weapon. I see no problem with that. At that point in time, he has no idea what her intentions are. Or, even if she is acting as a decoy so the driver can attack. He could have, if he wanted to, gone hands on at that point. He chose not to.

 

To me, its when tensions relax, and the matter starts to come in to focus, where the officer really screwed up. I have a sneaky suspicion that he backed himself into a corner during the initial encounter with the "tough talk", that he couldn't back down and do what I believe he knew to be the right thing to do. He felt he had to keep being the tough cop.

 

Its hard to flip that switch, guys. Trust me. One minute, you are concerned that something seriously amiss is going on, the next you are asked to change gears and be compassionate, kind, and caring.

[Lori]

Fair enough, Sig1, and I appreciate the input of someone who -- unlike the majority of us -- has actually been there, done that. I just really have a problem with sitting there running a license check while the guy's mother-in-law is dying, and it sounds like you'd agree about that part.

[Fingon]

I don't have problem with his initial reaction, but what followed is absolutely disgraceful. No one can argue against that.

[BEAST MODE BABY!]

oh ya, how silly of me. Usually dikheads act like big azz's in their interviews.

 

Oh, how about you hire people on a contingency basis as the piss and vinegar will show itself eventually...

[BEAST MODE BABY!]

HAHAHAHA IM NOT YELLING ABOUT IT AND IM NOT WANTING TO START AN ARGUMENT.JUST MAKING A POINT!sorry about the caps thing i dont pay attention to caps or not.i understand that moats and family were in a distressed situation but they could have just followed directions and not overwhelmed a lone police officer!and it probably would have been alot easier for him to get things straight with what was going on!

 

I hope you're not old enough to vote.