LGB Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Sure, the draft is coming up and everyone has their selections based on needs at different positions, but will Turk Schonert prove that he can guide an offense that builds on players strengths in order to suceed in moving the ball down field or is he really just another Steve Fairchild, who plays not to lose (a la Dick Jauron)...so conservative and predictable, that the Bills will stay near the bottom of the league on offense - no better than 25th in the NFL the last six seasons. Bills on Offense in the last six years:25th in 200830th in 200730th in 200628th in 200525th in 200430th in 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Sure, the draft is coming up and everyone has their selections based on needs at different positions, but will Turk Schonert prove that he can guide an offense that builds on players strengths in order to suceed in moving the ball down field or is he really just another Steve Fairchild, who plays not to lose (a la Dick Jauron)...so conservative and predictable, that the Bills will stay near the bottom of the league on offense - no better than 25th in the NFL the last six seasons. Bills on Offense in the last six years:25th in 200830th in 200730th in 200628th in 200525th in 200430th in 2003 There is another way to look at it. In the last 6 years, last year was our best. We're movin on up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 DJ's offenses have ranked above 23rd in points just once during his NFL coaching career. The lone exception was the miracle season of 2001. He and Schonert, who have more than 55 seasons combined playing or coaching in the NFL, still have a great deal to prove. Just saying that after this long is very telling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Sure, the draft is coming up and everyone has their selections based on needs at different positions, but will Turk Schonert prove that he can guide an offense that builds on players strengths in order to suceed in moving the ball down field or is he really just another Steve Fairchild, who plays not to lose (a la Dick Jauron)...so conservative and predictable, that the Bills will stay near the bottom of the league on offense - no better than 25th in the NFL the last six seasons. Bills on Offense in the last six years:25th in 200830th in 200730th in 200628th in 200525th in 200430th in 2003 Geez that's ugly. I'll go out on a limb and predict that they rank 20th - 24th this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Sure, the draft is coming up and everyone has their selections based on needs at different positions, but will Turk Schonert prove that he can guide an offense that builds on players strengths in order to suceed in moving the ball down field or is he really just another Steve Fairchild, who plays not to lose (a la Dick Jauron)...so conservative and predictable, that the Bills will stay near the bottom of the league on offense - no better than 25th in the NFL the last six seasons. Bills on Offense in the last six years:25th in 200830th in 200730th in 200628th in 200525th in 200430th in 2003 That's especially sad, considering the favorable field position on offense and defense afforded by April's special teams through the years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Points per game: 2008: 21 ppg- 23rd 2007: 15.8 ppg- 30th 2006: 18.8 ppg - 23rd 2005: 16.9 ppg - 24th We are scoring more points, so at least we are improving. Total yards is a worthless stat. Turk improved our offense quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Points per game: 2008: 21 ppg- 23rd 2007: 15.8 ppg- 30th 2006: 18.8 ppg - 23rd 2005: 16.9 ppg - 24th We are scoring more points, so at least we are improving. Total yards is a worthless stat. Turk improved our offense quite a bit. Maybe, but you have to back out special teams and defensive scores. I don't know what those numbers are, but it would be interesting to compare offense points over the past few years. Also you don't get to play against the 2008 Chiefs every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 That's especially sad, considering the favorable field position on offense and defense afforded by April's special teams through the years... Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 DJ's offenses have ranked above 23rd in points just once during his NFL coaching career. The lone exception was the miracle season of 2001. He and Schonert, who have more than 55 seasons combined playing or coaching in the NFL, still have a great deal to prove. Just saying that after this long is very telling Starting QBs: Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim miller, Kordell Stewart, JP Losman, and Edwards in his first 2 years as a pro. No coach is scoring a lot of points with those borderline NFL-quality QBs. On paper, this is by far and away the most talented offense Jauron has ever had. If they don't produce this season, there are no more excuses. But Jauron has had crap to work with offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Starting QBs: Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim miller, Kordell Stewart, JP Losman, and Edwards in his first 2 years as a pro. No coach is scoring a lot of points with those borderline NFL-quality QBs. On paper, this is by far and away the most talented offense Jauron has ever had. If they don't produce this season, there are no more excuses. But Jauron has had crap to work with offensively. Yes as long as you include in the "crap" his own approach to playing offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Yes as long as you include in the "crap" his own approach to playing offense. Your point would hold more water if any of these QBs did anything after leaving Jauron. I'm sure a great deal of the "crap approach" to offense is because of the crap he had to work with. Again, no offense would be good with those nobodys leading them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 There is another way to look at it. In the last 6 years, last year was our best. We're movin on up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMan Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 TO's contribution will be our break through the 30 barrier.....31st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGB Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 Starting QBs: Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim miller, Kordell Stewart, JP Losman, and Edwards in his first 2 years as a pro. No coach is scoring a lot of points with those borderline NFL-quality QBs. On paper, this is by far and away the most talented offense Jauron has ever had. If they don't produce this season, there are no more excuses. But Jauron has had crap to work with offensively. Wow, isn't that we heard last season: "this is the season"...and another 7-9 finish. With the Bill's 2009 schedule, 7-9 (or not finishing last again in the AFC East) might be a big accomplishment. 2009 Home: Miami, New England, New York Jets, Houston, Indianapolis, Cleveland, New Orleans, Tampa Bay Away: Miami, New England, New York Jets, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, Atlanta, Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Starting QBs: Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim miller, Kordell Stewart, JP Losman, and Edwards in his first 2 years as a pro. No coach is scoring a lot of points with those borderline NFL-quality QBs. Yep. Nothing like the head coach naming an unsigned rookie to be his starting QB. On paper, this is by far and away the most talented offense Jauron has ever had. If they don't produce this season, there are no more excuses. But Jauron has had crap to work with offensively. That's all Jauron and his apologists ever had to work with. Always too busy telling everybody why DJ CANNOT produce, and never showing any evidence of why he CAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Wow, isn't that we heard last season: "this is the season"...and another 7-9 finish. With the Bill's 2009 schedule, 7-9 (or not finishing last again in the AFC East) might be a big accomplishment. 2009 Home: Miami, New England, New York Jets, Houston, Indianapolis, Cleveland, New Orleans, Tampa Bay Away: Miami, New England, New York Jets, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, Atlanta, Carolina Josh Reed isn't a #2 receiver and Hardy didn't provide enough of an impact. And schedule strength in March is just silly. At March at this time, the Jags were Super Bowl contenders, the Seahawks a periennal division winner, the Fins were a 1-15 team, and the Browns were a trendy sleeper pick. Schedule means nothing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Yep. Nothing like the head coach naming an unsigned rookie to be his starting QB. That's all Jauron and his apologists ever had to work with. Always too busy telling everybody why DJ CANNOT produce, and never showing any evidence of why he CAN. Answer the following questions: - Have any of DJ's QB ever become a starter after leaving his team? - Who was the best running back to play for Jauron before Buffalo? - Who was the best receiver to play for DJ before Buffalo? - How many playoff appearances did Belichick have before Tom Brady? - True/ false: D'Angelo had full player control in Chicago. - Is this the best offensive talent a Jauron-coached team has had to work with? Look, I've never said Jauron was a great coach. however, it is not as terrible as people like you make him out to be. Newsflash, you need good players to win in the NFL. The Bears and Bills had average to below average players for Jauron. This is the best offense he has had. So, there can be no excuses. But if you kill him for failing with Jim Miller, you should also kill Belichick for failing with guys like Bernie Kosar and Drew Bledsoe (close to Hall of Famer QBs). All it is takes is one season to change how you are remembered. P.S. Like it or not, Jauron's the coach. Nothing is gonna change that. But if he fails, you can be first to say I told you so. congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 20th in 2009.....woo hoo....lol.....get your popcorn ready. Seriously tho, T.O. will make a huge difference, any Tight end will be an upgrade (maybe Pettigrew), the Center spot was improved and there are possible upgrades in free agency, trades and the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Wow, isn't that we heard last season: "this is the season"...and another 7-9 finish. With the Bill's 2009 schedule, 7-9 (or not finishing last again in the AFC East) might be a big accomplishment. 2009 Home: Miami, New England, New York Jets, Houston, Indianapolis, Cleveland, New Orleans, Tampa Bay Away: Miami, New England, New York Jets, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, Atlanta, Carolina Yikes! That's a nasty schedule. Pray for a miracle. Even with T.O. it will be hard to be 7-9 against opponents that all are playoff caliber teams minus Cleveland and Kansas City. Yes, I know injuries and some teams will be worse than their record from last year may indicate, but the Bills are in for a tough schedule this season. Based on the paper schedule alone, I see a Bills team winning 7-8 games. 9 wins will be very tough with our division and will require at least two serious upsets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Answer the following questions: - Have any of DJ's QB ever become a starter after leaving his team? Shane Matthews - Redskins - Who was the best running back to play for Jauron before Buffalo? Anthony Thomas - Apparently Jauron had no use for this guy that he brought Thomas to Buffalo - Who was the best receiver to play for DJ before Buffalo? Marty Booker or Bobby Engram. Take your pick. - How many playoff appearances did Belichick have before Tom Brady? The Cleveland Browns appeared in 2 playoff games under BB. The Browns were able to WIN a playoff game - True/ false: D'Angelo had full player control in Chicago. Why is this relevant? Jauron was the HC for two years PRIOR to D'Angelo coming on board. What was Jauron's record before D'Angelo? What was Jauron's record with D'Angelo? What was the Bears record with D'Angelo and without DJ? What is Jauron's record after his stint with the Bears? - Is this the best offensive talent a Jauron-coached team has had to work with? Debatable. Just because you want it to be, it does not make it so. Look, I've never said Jauron was a great coach. Great, maybe not. Good? You most certainly have. however, it is not as terrible as people like you make him out to be. He's on par with Hank Bullough. The only difference is the players hated Bullough, and quit on him. The players like Jauron, so he gets to stick around. Newsflash, you need good players to win in the NFL. The Bears and Bills had average to below average players for Jauron. 8 years of mediocrity, and none of it Jauron's fault. And you probably wonder why people label you a Jauron apologist. This is the best offense he has had. So, there can be no excuses. But if you kill him for failing with Jim Miller, you should also kill Belichick for failing with guys like Bernie Kosar and Drew Bledsoe (close to Hall of Famer QBs). All it is takes is one season to change how you are remembered. Interesting. BB forced out Kosar and dealt Bledose away. In both situations, he achieved better results without them than he did with them. And if you think coaching has little impact on player performance, I have one name for you: Matt Cassel P.S. Like it or not, Jauron's the coach. Nothing is gonna change that. But if he fails, you can be first to say I told you so. congrats. Great. As long as you continue to publicly support the loser when he does fail. Just keep telling us how nothing is his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGB Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 Great. As long as you continue to publicly support the loser when he does fail. Just keep telling us how nothing is his fault. no better than 25th in the NFL the last six seasons of offense means that from the front office - to coaching - to the players put on the field, the job has not been getting done. What does that mean? Does that mean awarding DJ another year will be the trick? The forth year is the year?!? Once Fairchild left, everyone thought the offense would be better and things would open up and put some points on the board. When you finish near last on offense in the NFL for six years straight, doesn't logic dictate what you have been trying has not been working and it might be time to try some other strategy like hiring someone who has proven that they can get the job done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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