Alphadawg7 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Seems to me if the Patriots thought that Cassell was REALLY FRIGGIN' GOOD there is no way they would trade him to the Bills. And if the Patriots didn't think he was REALLY FRIGGIN' GOOD, they'd love to trade him to the Bills. So why would the Bills want him in a trade from the Patriots. You lose sight of how much they have to pay Cassel and Brady...they have to trade one for financial reasons. Not to mention they will be getting a lot back in value. They are not going to keep both Cassel and Brady...so they either trade Cassel, or pay him $14 million for one year and lose him for nothing next year... So the fact they are willing to trade him is NO indication on what they think of him and a silly rationale. They have the best QB in football on their team in Brady who seems to be right on track in his recovery. They have to move one or the other...Brady is young enough that its a no brainer to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Cassel got sacked 47 times behind the pats* OL, widely regarded as one of the better ones in the biz. He can't throw the ball downfield. Just say NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Cassel got sacked 47 times behind the pats* OL, widely regarded as one of the better ones in the biz. He can't throw the ball downfield. Just say NO. Pats O Line wasnt considered one of the best in football last year...it struggled all year and it battled injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Pats O Line wasnt considered one of the best in football last year...it struggled all year and it battled injuries. Which is why i didn't say best. But i dont want a QB tat took 47 sacks behind an OL that was better than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Everyone on this board knows I'm not a Trent lover but I would rather have him QB the Bills for the next 3 or 4 years than make this trade. Oh no. I had called Trent "TrINT" for months, but I wold rather have him than give up that much for Cassell as well. God knows I wwould be terribly disappointed if this took place. We, AGAIN, would be helping the Pats* situation this year and setting them up for success in the future. By the way, HAVEN'T WE LEARNED FROM OUR PREVIOUS TRADES FOR PATRIOTS PLAYERS YET?!?!?!?!?! I mean Milloy, Bledsoe, and now maybe Cassell? The Patriots would keep him if they thought he would hurt them somewhere else, especially keep him out of the AFC East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Pats O Line wasnt considered one of the best in football last year...it struggled all year and it battled injuries. Actually, no, it didn't. If you look closely, you'll see that most of their starters played and started all 16 games this year. The only guy who missed "significant" playing time was Neal, who missed 7 games, but still played 9 IIRC. I think one other starter missed 2-3 games (Kaczur, Ithink). The other three played and started all 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 No. Peters is a known commodity. His 08 season was lackluster, but the skill-set is there to be an outstanding LT. OTOH, I'm not convinced of Cassel's ability to be a franchise QB. He rarely threw the ball more than 15 yards downfield and if people think Edwards' arm isn't great, they'll feel the same about Cassel. And he won't have Randy Moss and Wes Welker to throw to wherever he goes. Nor Belichick and Brady to guide him when things go wrong. OK, I get ya. You want to retain a player who performed subpar in 2008, but you don't want a player who blew away expectations in 2008. Perfect sense now that I break it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 SKOOB, how did your inside sources not give you the heads up? Make some calls and let us know if this is legit. LOL, been busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Which is why i didn't say best. But i dont want a QB tat took 47 sacks behind an OL that was better than ours. 28 of those came in first 8 games though...remember, he hadnt started since High School...takes a little time to get some feel for the pocket back. After that, he only had one real bad sack game the rest of the year and that was when he was sacked 5 times against the SB champion Steelers... The sack stat on him could be better, but its another area he showed improvement on as the season progressed. 3700 yards, 21 TD's and only 11 INT's in his first season as a QB since High School is still relatively impressive, especially when you consider Trent Edwards has only 18 TD's and has 18INT's in his 2 seasons (24 games). Cassel also had 3 games over 300 yards passing, and even 2 games over 400 yards passing. Edwards has never passed for more than 300 yards ever. Cassel also had 5 games with 3 or more TD's where Edwards has done that only once, and has only 4 games where he threw even 2 TD's yet he has played 8 more games than Cassel. So, I don't get how people on here think Edwards is such a stud and lock to be great and that Cassel is such a bumb. Add in that Cassel dealt with some OL injuries and had all the injuries to his running backs and TE's, and its even more impressive. Not saying he's a lock to be great, but in my eyes that is still a lot of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 OK, I get ya. You want to retain a player who performed subpar in 2008, but you don't want a player who blew away expectations in 2008. Perfect sense now that I break it down. Nice... Peters has had one good season in 5 (and it wasnt his most recent where he was terrible in pass coverage) Cassel shattered all expectations and actually kept getting better, including 3 games over 350 yards passing (2 of which were over 400 yards) in the last half the season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Which is why i didn't say best. But i dont want a QB tat took 47 sacks behind an OL that was better than ours. Exactly. I also don't want a QB that can beat the bad teams and lose to the good teams, for $14M a year and a 1st and 3rd round pick, again with a better offense than what the Bills had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 OK, I get ya. You want to retain a player who performed subpar in 2008, but you don't want a player who blew away expectations in 2008. Perfect sense now that I break it down. I earlier said Cassel benefited from playing in the NE system which featured a future HOF coach, along with receivers in Moss and Welker. He's had the ability to sit behind and learn from Tom Brady for 3 whole seasons before playing full time. OTOH, an offensive left tackle will never have the table set for them in this fashion. Many times, Peters was left on an island and even though his 08 season was lackluster, he's still a cornerstone of this franchise. Given the dearth of quality LT's in today's NFL who can neutralize RDE's, trading him is a latent admission that they don't want to pay. If you trade Peters and get picks, that does almost nothing to help win this year. And trading picks for Cassel to NE of all teams hurts this team long term, unless of course you like QB controversies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Thank God that this trade won't ever happen. One of the area's where the Bills brass has it right in is in the QB position. I'm very looking forward in seeing what Trent does in his second full year. I'm also looking forward in what Steve Johnson develops into and I'm hopeful that we will add on to our team through FA and the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Thank God that this trade won't ever happen. One of the area's where the Bills brass has it right in is in the QB position. I'm very looking forward in seeing what Trent does in his second full year. I'm also looking forward in what Steve Johnson develops into and I'm hopeful that we will add on to our team through FA and the draft. It's not going to be his second full year, he missed time in 08 so technically he's still a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairweather fan Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Although I am a Tom Brady fan, I believe that Edwards with a good line and a coach (any coach) will be a better keep than getting Cassel. I never remember Genus Bill drafting high for a quarterback, he seems to like line choices in the draft, even in the Browns days, which gave the Cleveland/Baltimore team a head start for the future. Cassel was the subject of speculation until the final cut day that he would not be with the Patriots in 08. What I have seen in limited instances of watching Edwards, was that he would do very well on the Patriots, given good health. I admire Cassel, but I do believe that both he and Tom Brady had the one thing that Belecheck requires, a great work and practice ethic. Brady did not have the long ball his first year as a pro, yet now, with Moss receiving, is considered the most accurate in getting the ball down the field. The hundred million quarterback you got from the Patriots had a helicopter idling in the parking lot on the last game of the year in 2000, waiting to take him to a private jet going back home to Washington. I am suprized that he did not do well with Dallas, as both he and TO believed that they were calling the plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 The thing I find the most interesting here is that Cassel is being called a systems QB by the same people complaining and defending Trent by saying Trent has struggled because of the system he plays in under DJ. So, wouldnt then that in turn make Trent a systems QB if he needs to be in the right system to excel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 The thing I find the most interesting here is that Cassel is being called a systems QB by the same people complaining and defending Trent by saying Trent has struggled because of the system he plays in under DJ. So, wouldnt then that in turn make Trent a systems QB if he needs to be in the right system to excel? I would have to say that %50 of your posts has something negative to do with Trent. We all get that you don't like him and wish he were gone. No matter what undeniable stats he has that has shown that he is much better then the majority of qb's in their first 20 games, you will never acknowledge them. That's fine, it's your opinion. But I have a question for you. will you continue to criticize him through out the entire off season any time anyone has something positive to say about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Thats just plain Stupid. Our line and receivers vs the Pats. Yeah he will look just great. Take your lumps with Trent,we would be better in the long run. Put Trent on the Pats and see his numbers vs Cassel. Take it Buffalo, another BURN job by Belicheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I would have to say that %50 of your posts has something negative to do with Trent. We all get that you don't like him and wish he were gone. No matter what undeniable stats he has that has shown that he is much better then the majority of qb's in their first 20 games, you will never acknowledge them. That's fine, it's your opinion. But I have a question for you. will you continue to criticize him through out the entire off season any time anyone has something positive to say about him? I have said repeatedly that I hope Trent develops and will continue to cheer him on. Those post you refer to dealt with the question at hand of why we have not been very good the last 2 years and they were not directed at just Trent, they were post about the combined effort of our QB's. Its mind boggling the lengths people will go to prove Trent hasnt been a problem, when he clearly has. I dont blame him, I mean he is a young QB. But young QB or not, it doesnt change the RESULT on the field thus far...the FACT remains, UNTIL the QB position plays better (regardless who it is), we won't be a very good team. My post here was one of amazement at the irony of the very people defending Trent by blaming the system he plays in for his struggles, are now saying they dont want Cassel becuase he is a systems QB. But by blaming the system for Trents struggles in Buffalo, you are essentially labeling Trent a systems QB too... I just fine it funny how a guy can come out of nowhere, put up pretty good stats, lead his team to 11 wins despite having no running game, a shaky line, and injuries to all his Tight Ends just to see the posts here say he is no good while they defend Trent to the death when Trent hasnt been very good yet... And as far as your comment about not acknowledging these other QB's in the NFL historys past you say Trent has better numbers than in their first 20 games, its because it is pointless. I can name 10 QB's in the NFL right now who had better stats then Trent by a lot, even Derek Anderson. We can each make a list on both sides of that argument, although I bet you mine will be longer, but either way its pointless. Its so funny how if you analyze Trents play, and draw the inevitable conclusion that to this point it hasnt been good enough, you are somehow labeled a Trent hater. Seems to me like the truth hurts a bit to people who support Trent to the death, becuase as soon as you criticize him the claws come out. If you don't like it, then I suggest you call Trent and tell him to play better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 This makes no sense to me. I would be shocked if this happened. Although I believe that Cassell is a good QB, I also think Trent is a good one and is only going to get better. Why give up a first round draft choice for Cassell when we have far greater needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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