Bill from NYC Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I would probably stop watching football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I have been reading about the Bills moving since the mid 60's. I think I'll wait to see if it happens before I get pissed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 That list is bubkus. The Jags and Saints are most likely to move. The Jags most loyal season ticket holder appears to be the tarp that covers all their unsold seats The Saints are suffering from a loss of their fanbase as people evacuate New Orleans but don't return. Speaking of New Orleans, I also saw that the NO Hornets are on their list. I'm no basketball fan, but didn't they just relocate from Charlotte? Speaking Charlotte, why is the expansion team (that the NBA gave them after the Hornets left) on the list? Hockey in Phoenix and Nashville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffalo Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 SF 49ers as a possible move at #3???? All credability is lost when I saw that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 So, the Bills are moving to Jacksonville, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 So, the Bills are moving to Jacksonville, huh? Could Baltimore support 2 NFL teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpunchy Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 SF 49ers as a possible move at #3???? All credability is lost when I saw that. Agreed. No way they move.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Y'know, if you guys keep discussing the Bills moving, we're not going to have anything to repeatedly discuss in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Could Baltimore support 2 NFL teams? Depends on how the heroin market does, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 SF 49ers as a possible move at #3???? All credability is lost when I saw that. Agreed. No way they move.. actually, there has been a decent amount of talk of the 49ers moving in the last 5 years. i've heard and read the number one place is santa clara, with sacremento, and san jose as possible places to go as well. the 49ers ownership has stated a move to santa clara is in the works, so that is straight from the horses mouth. it has been said that the move to santa clara will happen in 2012 see this article 49ers owners announce plans to move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Don't you rookies know there is no reason to start new threads on topics already under discussion? http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=74107 Had to take that shot, as we were real pricks to a newb who started ANOTHER Tony G thread, last night. Notice the 49ers are there, too? Raiders and Jacksonville are not. As Let's Go Bills notes in the other thread, it simply looks like a list of teams that need new stadiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 You guys ever notice that Forbes just doesn't like Buffalo? Also, they don't know anything about the stadium, nor have they probably ever attended a game at the Ralph, or the Rogers center by that matter. They keep calling the stadium "outdated" (I keep hearing this all over), but have these "authorities" ever visited the Ralph? I've been to about 6 different NFL stadiums and I have to say, if I knew nothing about football or stadiums I would guess that the Ralph was one of the newest. Erie County drops like what, 5 mil a year or something into stadium improvements, and lets the Bills take all the gate from a stadium they dont own? What other sports team has this kinda stuff? They just put in that sick new scoreboard, have the ribbon one around the bowl, and lets not forget all the improvements they made (ie jim kelly club, new suites) about 8 years ago. I've brought plenty of out of town friends to games, and every time they compliment how nice the stadium is compared to what they hear. On top of that, the Rogers is "spiffier?" Sure it was nice when it opened as the skydome 25 years ago, but now its a dump. Spiffier, give me abreak. I'm sick of the pile on buffalo mentality, but i guess that's not going to change anytime soon. should we mass email forbes or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I disagree with the "#43 market" claim. It depends upon how you count the surrounding area. My estimate is #38 (http://www.neweconomyindex.org/metro/major_cities.html) but for football purposes its much larger. The Buffalo metrolpoltian area is about 1.1 million and Rochester is 1. million. If you add some portion of Toronto at 7.6 million to these it is in the top 10 or 15. So that's one think I think is in our favor. Also you have to look at the teams that already exist and what areas they serve to see where the owners might even think to put a team without screwing an existing frachise and having the new team fail due to losing competition to an exisiting fan base. For example, Dayton and Columbus Ohio are top 50 metropoliton areas, but do you think that they would support another NFL team instead of the Bengals, Browns and Buckeyes? Sacrmento California is big, but close to the 49ers and the Raiders. Flordia has 3 NFL teams and is a hotbed of college football with usually 4 top 25 teams. Look at the following list and think of where a "good" move for an existing team might be: 1 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, N.Y.-N.J.-Conn.-Pa..... 20 MILION..................2 NFL 2 Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County, Calif............................... 15.8 MILLION...............NONE 3 Chicago-Gary-Kenosha, Ill.-Ind.-Wis.......................................... 8.8 MILLION............... NFL TORONTO 5.5 MILLION CFL & BILLS 4 Washington, D.C.-Baltimore, D.C.-Md.-Va.-W.Va.7.2 MILLION.......... 7.2 MILLION..............2 NFL 5 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Calif......................................... 6.8 MILLION 2 NFL 6 Philadelphia-Wilmington-Atlantic City, Pa.-N.J.-Del.-Md. .................. 6 MILLION NFK 7 Boston-Worcester-Lawrence-Lowell-Brockton, Mass.-N.H ... 5.8 MILLION. NFL 8 Detroit-Ann Arbor, Mich. ............................ 5.4 MILLION NFL 9 Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas...................... 4.8 MILLION.......... NFL 10 Houston-Galveston-Brazoria, Texas....... 4.4 MILLION.. NFL 11 Atlanta, Ga............ 3.7 MILLION.. NFL 12 Miami-Fort Lauderdale, Fla 3.6 MILLION NFL 13 Seattle-Tacoma-Bremerton, Wash. .. 3.4......................NFL 14 Phoenix, .2.9......NFL 15 Cleveland-Akron, Ohio .... NFL 16 Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minn.-Wis. ... NFL 17 San Diego, Calif. NFL 18 St Louis, Mo.-Ill. ... NFL 19 Denver-Boulder-Greeley, Colo NFL 20 Pittsburgh, Pa. NFL 21 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, Fla. NFL 22 Portland-Salem, Ore.-Wash. SEAHAWKS fans? 23 Cincinnati-Hamilton, Ohio-Ky.-Ind. NFL 24 Kansas City, Mo.-Kan. . NFL 25 Sacramento-Yolo, Calif. RAIDERS & 49ERS fans 26 Milwaukee-Racine, Wis. NFL 27 Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, Va.-N.C. REDSKINS Cougar fans 28 San Antonio, Texas. COWBOYS, TEXANS 29 Indianapolis, Ind. NFL 30 Orlando, Fla. .JACKSONVILLE, TAMPA BAY , MIAMI 31 Columbus, Ohio CINCI, CLEVELAND, buckeyes 32 Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, N.C.-S.C. . NFL 33 Las Vegas, Nev.-Ariz. ????CARDS??????. 34 New Orleans, La... NFL 35 Salt Lake City-Ogden, Utah ???? DENVER cards???????? 36 Greensboro-Winston-Salem-High Point, N.C. CAROLINA 37 Nashville, Tenn. .. NFL 38 Buffalo-Niagra Falls, N.Y. 1.1 MILLION THE BILLS 5.5 +1.- + 1.1= ?? BILLS 39 Hartford, Conn. GIANTS JETS 40 Austin-San Marcos, Texas . COWBOYS, TEXANS 41 Memphis, Tenn.-Ark.-Miss. .. CARDS, TITANS SAINTS 42 Rochester, N.Y. 1.0 MILLION.... THE BILLS..THE BILLS..THE BILLS..THE BILLS 43 Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill, N.C CAROLINA 44 Jacksonville, Fla. . NFL 45 Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland, Mich.. LIONS 46 Oklahoma City, Okla. COWBOYS, RAMS 47 West Palm Beach-Boca Raton, Fla FISH, JAGS, BUCANEERS 48 Louisville, Ky.-Ind. bENGALS, COLTS 49 Dayton-Springfield, Ohio BROWNS, BENGALS BUCKEYES 50 Richmond-Petersburg, Va. REDSKINS There are only two places that scare me. One is the desert and the other is LA. A move to other places with sizable metro areas would really be impinging upon an established team. We're pretty safe because if you count Rochester and even A FIFTH of Toronto you get the Buffalo "metro area" up to 3.2 MILLION or so which is #13 in size. This beats the desert but not LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 If by the desert you mean Vegas, I don't think the NFL would think about Vegas for even a split second. Vegas has always been hands off to all sports leagues, until the NBA all star game last year. Even then, do you remember all the violence and arrests that happened? All of Pacman's beef went down that weekend too. Vegas would be way to much of a headache for any league, let alone owner, and I don't think a tough guy like Goodell would even give an idea like that the light of day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 That list is bubkus. The Jags and Saints are most likely to move. The Jags most loyal season ticket holder appears to be the tarp that covers all their unsold seats The Saints are suffering from a loss of their fanbase as people evacuate New Orleans but don't return. Speaking of New Orleans, I also saw that the NO Hornets are on their list. I'm no basketball fan, but didn't they just relocate from Charlotte? Speaking Charlotte, why is the expansion team (that the NBA gave them after the Hornets left) on the list? Hockey in Phoenix and Nashville Maybe they can move to Seattle and tease the Sonics fans for a couple years before moving to their next city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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