Ramius Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 On the plus side, if we trade for vernon davis, we'll have another #1 pick to run out of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49er Fan Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I agree with your points on Davis, but no TE has ever thrived under Mike Martz. And the 49ers have a different QB who is relying on his veteran WR Ike Bruce, along with WRs Arnez Battle, Bryant Johnson, and pass-catching RB Frank Gore. I'm sure Davis will get more opportunities this season to be involved in the offense - the 49ers have invested too heavily in him not to. Now, this point needs some clarifying: "Leave it up to Mike Martz to waste a guy's talent (see Marshall Faulk with the Rams)" Faulk's talent was wasted? I guess a running back catching 80+ balls for four consecutive years ('99-'02), rushing for 1300+ yards in 3 of those years and scoring 69 touchdowns plus winning a Super Bowl isn't good enough for you? Certainly Faulk's numbers took a dive when he was injured (missed parts or all of 6 games in '02, 5 games in '03), and the wheels came off the Rams' Ferrari when Kurt Warner became badly injured to start the '02 season (3 TD, 11 INT, 0-6 record), getting replaced by Marc Bulger in Week 7. But you have to realize that very few RBs can continue to play at such a high level for 5+ years. For several of the Rams' glory years, Faulk was by far the most versatile and best running back in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Yeah, seen the guy play. Alot more in college than in the NFL. I live in VA and saw Maryland play alot because of the "region" I'm in. Saw him put up decent numbers last year while battling injuries too. The guy runs decent routes and not every person catches every pass. Sorry you hold a grudge because he didn't produce for your fantasy squad , but all that aside he still has the potential to be a good player for many years to come. He also has alot of God given athleticism that can't be taught. You can be taught to run more crisp routes and you can work on your hands. Gonzales is getting old quick and it's not like the guy is "the missing piece" to our Super Bowl puzzle. I still say that we should look at getting Davis if the price is right, because we all should still be thinking long-term around here. Our team is not a "power house" just yet. You want to say that, "if Mike Martz cant turn this guy into a producer in a pass happy offense with a great RB to keep the D honest, why do you think he will fit into our system mid season where it will take him the rest of the year to learn the offense?" Mike Martz is an overrated tool. He ruined what could've been dynasty of sorts in St. Louis with his antics and misuse of talent. Yeah, he's got Gore producing now. But last year Gore battled injury and his monster year came with Norv Turner at the helm. If you look back, Turner even made Alex Smith look like an up and coming QB. In the end, his arrogance and stupid decisions will get him run out of San Fran too. A lot of people look good in college...NFL is different...players are better, teams are smarter. If we can him cheap, great, but hes not worth what it will take to get him out of SF, if he is even available. There is talk about his work ethic in the tape room kind of stuff...not really promising insight when he has to learn a whole new offense mid season. Also, Martz offense won St. Louis a super bowl. He may not be the best head coach, but he is still a top offensive coordinator if you want to pass. Last I checked, he was the offensive coordinator there in SF and already took the awful SF offense and made it credible by rebirthing the passing game there. So, if he cant get Vernon the ball, something is wrong. In fact, he said the player he most excited about was Vernon and they were going to put him in positions to be a factory...Vernon has not responded. He often looks lost out there...so my suggestion...watch more of him in the NFL as your admitedly said you have not...last I checked Buffalo plays in the NFL not the NCAA, so its his NFL play that I am interested in. And yes, the kid is a freak athletically...but that doesnt alwasy translate into NFL success. And he is more fragile than Shockey... Again, based on athletic talent, sure pick him up if you get him cheap...my point is he hasnt shown anything at all that would justify what it would cost to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 These trade scenarios are nice. But they're unrealistic pipe dreams. This isn't hockey, trades just don't happen like this. Especially with the franchise tag to keep FA's from leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Maybe we could make it a swap of failed number ones: Alex Smith and Vernon Davis for JP Losman and John McCargo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Maybe we could make it a swap of failed number ones: Alex Smith and Vernon Davis for JP Losman and John McCargo I should probably implicitly state the sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I should probably implicitly state the sarcasm Why not? Everyone else does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Aside from showing a propensity to drop passes and get injured, what else has Davis shown so far in his NFL career? That was the first thing I thought of as well...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Maybe we could make it a swap of failed number ones: Alex Smith and Vernon Davis for JP Losman and John McCargo YOU MUST BE OUT OF YOUR GOURD!!! WTF WOULD WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING SO STUPID FOR? YOUR A MORON, NO, YOUR A RETARDED MORON!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Vd is available in my fantasy league but I won't pick him up and here is why. Tue, Oct 7 The Associated Press reports San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Nolan defended the use of TE Vernon Davis as a blocker, even though Davis has just five receptions in five games this season. "He has a responsibility to himself to run the correct routes," Nolan said. "You get the ball that way better, but by no stretch would I say he's a bust. Like I said, he is good at two out of the three (aspects of his job). He will continue to get better at the third part, but that's a matter of working at it." (KFFL) Tue, Oct 7 TE Vernon Davis has caught just two passes the past four games. He is seen as a better blocker than a pass catcher, despite being the No. 6 overall pick in the 2006 draft. Davis has experienced difficulty fitting into Mike Martz's offense. He has just five catches for 87 yards through five games. Davis has been spending time after practices working with quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan on down-the-field pass routes. Davis is not known as an accomplished route-runner. (Yahoo! Sports) He is a beast physically and can run like a jet...in a straight line. But if he can't learn to run his routes properly.... he was a "project" draft pick.kinda like Ted Ginn Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 YOU MUST BE OUT OF YOUR GOURD!!! WTF WOULD WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING SO STUPID FOR? YOUR A MORON, NO, YOUR A RETARDED MORON!!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest three3 Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 i think alex smith is out for this whole year. it would be a tight end and a draft pick for davis or just a draft pick for him. or mccargo if sf wants him and they would have to put something with davis if we are giving up mccargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 or mccargo if sf wants him and they would have to put something with davis if we are giving up mccargo. McCargo has shown flashes of more brilliance than Davis. I think we can get SFs #3 next year if we do this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I like my idea better. Tony Gonzalez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 He runs sloppy, lazy routes and he lacks focus so he drops too many passes. Are you talking about Davis or Royal? I want VD now! I know a couple chicks, you want their phone numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I highly doubt that the 49ers give up on him after less then 3 years, so he won't come cheap If SF was stupid enough to get rid of him for cheap, I would say it is definitly a move you make. A change of scenery/offence maybe just what the guy needs. We already have a blocking TE so that should solve on of his issues. He has the ability and skills to be good, he's just the kind of player that may need the change to a new team and the right offence to get him to reach his potential But theres no way that SF gives him up for anything cheap The bolded part is pretty much where I fall on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Yeah...Vernon Davis sucks...only 75 yards and 6 catches against the Eagles D. Our TE's are MUCH better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkmil Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Yeah...Vernon Davis sucks...only 75 yards and 6 catches against the Eagles D. Our TE's are MUCH better... this is one game this season. our TE did have a better game this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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