Glass To The Arson Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 My buddy from work took a trip to Minneapolis for a Twins game and he mentioned to me that on the local radio - Goodell was not impressed with Toronto and said he'd rather put a team in England. I don't believe he meant that - maybe out of frustration... I wonder if he really said that because word of mouth can be distorted. None the less - Goodell was not impressed with the giving away of 17,000 free tickets What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 people need to realize this entire thing is less about moving a team there as it is expanding the fan base there. the Bills are not moving to toronto. but if we could get some people interested in coming down to Buffalo for the games, then we're golden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACor58 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 people need to realize this entire thing is less about moving a team there as it is expanding the fan base there. the Bills are not moving to toronto. but if we could get some people interested in coming down to Buffalo for the games, then we're golden. Agreed. They can barley support a MLB and an NBA franchise. The truth is that many, if not most of them don't give two sh!ts about american sports. They care about hockey. (and Curling ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 I don't want to see the Bills move, but strictly regarding Toronto. It's preseason. No one expects pre season to be capacity filled, with excited fans. It has way more merit, if the regular season games are like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 I don't want to see the Bills move, but strictly regarding Toronto. It's preseason. No one expects pre season to be capacity filled, with excited fans. It has way more merit, if the regular season games are like that. The Miami game being played in Toronto still pisses me off. Having a home game at RWS vs Miami in December has usually just about guaranteed a win. Now it's going to be in a dome?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 The Miami game being played in Toronto still pisses me off. Having a home game at RWS vs Miami in December has usually just about guaranteed a win. Now it's going to be in a dome?? Buffalo should tell Toronto that the roof has to be open for the game..snow or no snow...but then again..we have a Cali QB and a Cali RB..maybe the roof closed will help us more than hurt Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 My buddy from work took a trip to Minneapolis for a Twins game and he mentioned to me that on the local radio - Goodell was not impressed with Toronto and said he'd rather put a team in England. I don't believe he meant that - maybe out of frustration... I wonder if he really said that because word of mouth can be distorted. None the less - Goodell was not impressed with the giving away of 17,000 free tickets What do you think? There is no way Goodell said anything close to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_soul-dier Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Most of our team has little experience in the snow....and we saw last year what theyd do. These arent the kelly and thomas' and reeds that thrived in the snow...they get cold as much as the dolphins would, its only us fans who like it in the snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Most of our team has little experience in the snow....and we saw last year what theyd do. These arent the kelly and thomas' and reeds that thrived in the snow...they get cold as much as the dolphins would, its only us fans who like it in the snow Agreed. Until I see different, I would say that cold, wind and snow are as big a disadvantage to our team as it is to visiting teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 In my opinion, the reason the team wants to expand its fan base to Toronto is not for the regular seats. A sellout of the regular seats is icing on the cake. The real reason is to sell the luxury and corporate boxes. That's where the real money is, and that's where Toronto has a huge source of income. Since it's preseason, I don't think they expected a sellout. But I wonder what the attendance was in the luxury suites? I think the regular season game will be a sellout, and more importantly, the luxury and corporate boxes will be full. Is that enough to move the team to Toronto? I don't think so. Why do that, when they can do both cities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Philster Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 In my opinion, the reason the team wants to expand its fan base to Toronto is not for the regular seats. A sellout of the regular seats is icing on the cake. The real reason is to sell the luxury and corporate boxes. That's where the real money is, and that's where Toronto has a huge source of income. I'm of the same opinion...cause that's the reason the Bills gave for this Toronto series the Bills are not moving to toronto. but if we could get some people interested in coming down to Buffalo for the games, then we're golden.A big part of the Bills gameday experiemce is tailgating. After seeing the pathetic joke that passes for tailgating in Toronto, I think interest in coming down to Orchard Park is going to keep rising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 A big part of the Bills gameday experiemce is tailgating. After seeing the pathetic joke that passes for tailgating in Toronto, I think interest in coming down to Orchard Park is going to keep rising did you see where the Bears told its tailgaters that they can no longer be in the parking lot durring game time?....thats just not right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 people need to realize this entire thing is less about moving a team there as it is expanding the fan base there. the Bills are not moving to toronto. but if we could get some people interested in coming down to Buffalo for the games, then we're golden. Based on what? Until someone can come out and say authoritatively that they're not moving, rumors will continue that this "loaning" of the Bills is an attempt to gauge market interest in a NFL franchise for Toronto. At this point, nothing is out of the question, including a move to Toronto or any place that an investor/owner believes a NFL franchise can operate with big revenue potential. The one man who can put the rumors to bed is adamant that the team will be sold after his passing. It's a feel-good thing to believe what the team says and think it's only about expanding a fan base. When one of the top markets in North America is hours away from where your team plays, anything is possible. I'll wait until a regular season game to figure out just how this Toronto arrangement plays out. If fan support is poor, I won't celebrate, nor will I be upset. For the time being, I'll watch the games and hope they play well. It's just ridiculous to think there isn't more going on behind the scenes than an attempt at regionalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 did you see where the Bears told its tailgaters that they can no longer be in the parking lot durring game time?....thats just not right That only affects fans who don't have a ticket to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 That only affects fans who don't have a ticket to the game. so your saying fans with no tickets shouldn't be able to have fun and support there team in the parking lots?...I think this was a very bad move on the Bears part...Tailgateing is a huge part of the game-day experience...I know all of you would be pi$$d if Ralph came out and threw everyone that didn't buy a ticket out of the parking lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Agreed. They can barley support a MLB and an NBA franchise. The truth is that many, if not most of them don't give two sh!ts about american sports. They care about hockey. (and Curling ) Also, Toronto would have to build a new stadium to NFL standards and there are guys in the Parliament that oppose any NFL team relocating there. I don't want to see the Bills move, but strictly regarding Toronto. It's preseason. No one expects pre season to be capacity filled, with excited fans. It has way more merit, if the regular season games are like that. Agreed. It would be like trying to gauge fan interest in Buffalo by using pre-season attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 There is no way Goodell said anything close to that I was thinking the same thing. It would be a major break of public relations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I was surprised by the way the Bills played once Trent left the game in the middle of the 2nd quarter. We only threw 2 passes in the second half. Watching our offense was total snooze time. I know it was pre season etc., but if you're trying to build a fan base by playing 2 year ago's SB champ, I'd think you'd show the crowd a little more excitement. I'm still shaking my head on this one. Dick Jauron is not a marketeer, obviously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Agreed. It would be like trying to gauge fan interest in Buffalo by using pre-season attendance. If anything, it should tell Goodell et al. that they need to do something about the preseason situation, as was rumored with retraction of one game and expanding to a 17-game season. Big surprise that people don't give a flying sh-- about games that mean nothing in the standings!? Lots of popular teams have attendance trouble for what is tantamount to glorified practice sessions; only the hardcore fans care about it, and even then.... I think butts (PAYING butts, that is) will be in the seats in Toronto in Dec. when it matters. People should reserve any final judgment at least until then, and probably not until the game up there next year. In addition to the retraction of a game, it might be prudent to make the preseason results count for something. What, I don't know. Some perk that's not too big, not too small. But the MLB All-Star game certainly got more interesting when the winning league got home-field advantage during the WS --- all of a sudden, people had a bit of a stake. Finally, for anyone happy about the low attendance, it isn't good for the team. This Toronto partnership thing has to be successful for the future of this franchise in the new era of Snyder & Jones. W/o it, we sink and the team will move; with it, the NFL in this region will be possible. Again, I fully expect a large crowd in Dec., a good game vs. the Fish, and I hope it translates to some corporate support from Toronto at RWS. (Should be easier now with the strong Canadian dollar). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 My buddy from work took a trip to Minneapolis for a Twins game and he mentioned to me that on the local radio - Goodell was not impressed with Toronto and said he'd rather put a team in England. I don't believe he meant that - maybe out of frustration... I wonder if he really said that because word of mouth can be distorted. None the less - Goodell was not impressed with the giving away of 17,000 free tickets What do you think? I think that if teams didn't force fans to buy preseason tickets along with their season tickets then just about every team would have 17,000 tickets to get rid of prior to every preseason game with the exception of teams in the largest cities. I think and hope we can agree that charging $350 to a preseason game isn't going to sell tickets. If the Bills charged half of that and didn't force fans to buy them they'd have 70,000 extra tickets for every preseason game. I also think you should find the exact broadcast of that supposed statement. Sounds very unprofessional for Goodell to go on the air and say something like that. And what was Goodell doing in Minnesota? Not saying he wasn't there, but this reeks of fish more than the best fish story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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