Max997 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Bills Draft Defense you are clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Jesus....where do I begin - I assume it is "Whitner needs to play more physicl and Simpson has been a suprise"....they were NOT starters by default at least Ko Simpson was not....we had a veteran player at tht spot and released him to bring up Simpson to get him on the field this year......it is very had for rookie players to come in and make an immediate impact yet we had rookie starters all over the place......hopefully when you see how good those 2 are going to be next year you will come back and let it be known you were mistaken. - McCargo was in a rotation of DT's that was ranked 29th in the NFL....if you are going to blame McCargo then you also have to blame Tripplett as well....it was also their first year in that defensive scheme. I thought that McCargo was just starting to make a contribution when he got hurt......you cannot evaluate him because he didn't play the whole year AND DT is a very hard position to come in and dominate as a rookie....I can name SEVERAL high 1st round pick DT's that did not come in and immediately dominate as rookies. - I dont have an answer for why Yobuty didn't play but I can tell you that he was in the top 3 of every draft rag I had entering that draft and was projected as a 1st round pick in every one of them. Since he did not play we cannot evaluate him yet. Kyle Williams.....once again....you give a TEAM stat on run stopping and then you evaluate Kyle Williams......you evalute a rookie at a position where it is hard to dominate AND you blame him for the run stopping numbers of the team as a whole......he was the hardest working, toughest, most hustle DT we had on the team Keith Ellison came in and flat out made plays......quite frankly he outplayed Takeo Spikes in many of the games. The NFL is full of late round pick that outplay expectations!!! See rush per attempt info above. So what is your point here? Drafts are evaluated as a WHOLE not the first, second, and third round picks......how can you evaluate a draft unless you evaluate ALL of the picks...... Terrance Pennington made most fans wipe RT off their shopping list....not bad for a late late round pick And this draft was BAD? if you want to build your offensive line through seventh round picks and undrafted rookies because your first and secondlineman have been busts!!!....So...is your real beef the McCargo pick? Once again drafts are evaluated as a WHOLE and not just your 1st and 2nd rounds. Terrance Pennington showed very much like Jason Peters showed when he got on the field as a OL.....he didn't embarris himself and has lots of room to improve. I have seen drafts by the bills that would def be considered a bad draft that can set the team back for years.....(The Eric Flowers draft for instance) This was NOT one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Five days a week a would have chose Haloti Ngata (DL/Baltimore) & Danieal Manning (Safety/Bears) over Whitner and McCargo!!!! .....and still have (2) third round picks to "roll da dice!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 you are clueless I am not clueless!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Jesus....where do I begin - I assume it is "Whitner needs to play more physicl and Simpson has been a suprise"....they were NOT starters by default at least Ko Simpson was not....we had a veteran player at tht spot and released him to bring up Simpson to get him on the field this year......it is very had for rookie players to come in and make an immediate impact yet we had rookie starters all over the place......hopefully when you see how good those 2 are going to be next year you will come back and let it be known you were mistaken. - McCargo was in a rotation of DT's that was ranked 29th in the NFL....if you are going to blame McCargo then you also have to blame Tripplett as well....it was also their first year in that defensive scheme. I thought that McCargo was just starting to make a contribution when he got hurt......you cannot evaluate him because he didn't play the whole year AND DT is a very hard position to come in and dominate as a rookie....I can name SEVERAL high 1st round pick DT's that did not come in and immediately dominate as rookies. - I dont have an answer for why Yobuty didn't play but I can tell you that he was in the top 3 of every draft rag I had entering that draft and was projected as a 1st round pick in every one of them. Since he did not play we cannot evaluate him yet. Kyle Williams.....once again....you give a TEAM stat on run stopping and then you evaluate Kyle Williams......you evalute a rookie at a position where it is hard to dominate AND you blame him for the run stopping numbers of the team as a whole......he was the hardest working, toughest, most hustle DT we had on the team Keith Ellison came in and flat out made plays......quite frankly he outplayed Takeo Spikes in many of the games. The NFL is full of late round pick that outplay expectations!!! See rush per attempt info above. So what is your point here? Drafts are evaluated as a WHOLE not the first, second, and third round picks......how can you evaluate a draft unless you evaluate ALL of the picks...... Terrance Pennington made most fans wipe RT off their shopping list....not bad for a late late round pick And this draft was BAD? if you want to build your offensive line through seventh round picks and undrafted rookies because your first and secondlineman have been busts!!!....So...is your real beef the McCargo pick? Once again drafts are evaluated as a WHOLE and not just your 1st and 2nd rounds. Terrance Pennington showed very much like Jason Peters showed when he got on the field as a OL.....he didn't embarris himself and has lots of room to improve. I have seen drafts by the bills that would def be considered a bad draft that can set the team back for years.....(The Eric Flowers draft for instance) This was NOT one of them I did evaluate the entire draft class for 2007.....should we move into the free agent signing so I can butter both sides of your waffle, sorry< responses!!! ps...what is your son's fastest 40 time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 maybe they should have asked their OL coach what attributes hew valued in a player. too much arrogance in the front office and not enougn communication with the guys coaching the players. This is the biggest improvement Marv has made in getting everyone on the same page. As simple as that. Great post obi wan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 As simple as that. Great post obi wan. fyi Jim McNally was against the "Jason Peters" project. Didn't think the kid could do it and #71 proved many other coaches WRONG!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 fyi Jim McNally was against the "Jason Peters" project. Didn't think the kid could do it and #71 proved many other coaches WRONG!! Are you sure about that? I remember McNally saying, last offseason IIRC, that Peters was the best project he ever had because of talent and size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Are you sure about that? I remember McNally saying, last offseason IIRC, that Peters was the best project he ever had because of talent and size. I'm 100% correct!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 must be milking time......where did everyone go??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 must be milking time......where did everyone go??? Me? I'm just sitting here waiting for you to let me know where we went wrong in the draft and who we could have drafted that would have elevated the number of games we won this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Me? I'm just sitting here waiting for you to let me know where we went wrong in the draft and who we could have drafted that would have elevated the number of games we won this year. You are obviously failing at that as well.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 You are obviously failing at that as well.......... That comment makes absolutely no sense, which shouldn't surprise me since you obviously don't have anything to back up your comments. I'll leave you be, and the next time I see you make a claim, I'll realize it's probably just as empty as the ones you made here, and ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 That comment makes absolutely no sense, which shouldn't surprise me since you obviously don't have anything to back up your comments. I'll leave you be, and the next time I see you make a claim, I'll realize it's probably just as empty as the ones you made here, and ignore it. RMPL What's done is done!! The Bills haven't made the playoff in along time and won't until they can play some defense!!! The coaching staff is doing as well as they with the talent around them. So what is your opinion on Nate Clements?? Sign or Let Go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 I did evaluate the entire draft class for 2007.....should we move into the free agent signing so I can butter both sides of your waffle, sorry< responses!!! ps...what is your son's fastest 40 time? It sounds like you are just evaluating the 1-3rd rounds.....seriously. My 15 year old son (birthday was today) fastest time was a 4.9 40....and he is now on the "Lifting board" at his high school for max in bench as a freshman that is usually reserved for senior players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 I'm 100% correct!!!! That's actually 100% false. He wanted to move him over to the left side when TD was here, but was vetoed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 I'm 100% correct!!!! NFL teams pay big bucks to guys that can be 100% correct in evaluating players. Gotta be a fun job also working for a pro football team. Polish up your resume. NFL teams will be standing in line to hire you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 I'm 100% correct!!!! You're wrong!!! In November of his rookie season Peters began working at offensive tackle with offensive line coach Jim McNally while making contributions on Sundays on special teams. McNally has called Peters one of the most athletic offensive linemen he has ever coached, putting his athletic ability on a par with Hall of Fame Cincinnati tackle Anthony Munoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 You're wrong!!! In November of his rookie season Peters began working at offensive tackle with offensive line coach Jim McNally while making contributions on Sundays on special teams. McNally has called Peters one of the most athletic offensive linemen he has ever coached, putting his athletic ability on a par with Hall of Fame Cincinnati tackle Anthony Munoz and Willis loves Buffalo and WNY. Consider the source and article was written 2 years after Jason was drafted. Everyone wants to claim credit now!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 That's actually 100% false. He wanted to move him over to the left side when TD was here, but was vetoed. McNally didn't even want to work with him!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 and Willis love Buffalo and WNY. Consider the source and article was written 2 years after Jason was drafted. Everyone wants to claim credit now!!!! Jason Peters was not drafted you dunce, again, another misrepresentationon your part of your horribly retarded crusade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 McNally didn't even want to work with him!!!!! Wrong again. Do you know Soprano? Otherwise, provide a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 McNally didn't even want to work with him!!!!! If you say it loud enough and long enough, it becomes true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 Jason Peters was not drafted you dunce, again, another misrepresentationon your part of your horribly retarded crusade you are correct......he was signed after he went undrafted. Sorry about that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 Wrong again. Do you know Soprano? Otherwise, provide a link. All I can say is...... I have a very close friend who was a college scout with the Bills. He has since moved on to another NFL team. He has been credited with drafting several outstanding prospects....that have led to the team's very recent resurgence and Super Bowl run!!! There are a few TBD mods that have confirmed source!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Soland Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 All I can say is...... I have a very close friend who was a college scout with the Bills. He has since moved on to another NFL team. He has been credited with drafting several outstanding prospects....that have led to the team's very recent resurgence and Super Bowl run!!! There are a few TBD mods that have confirmed source!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! okay i'm done now.... no wait.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!! there...... okay. carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 All I can say is...... I have a very close friend who was a college scout with the Bills. He has since moved on to another NFL team. He has been credited with drafting several outstanding prospects....that have led to the team's very recent resurgence and Super Bowl run!!! There are a few TBD mods that have confirmed source!! and i suppose you could use the words "deep inside" to describe your relationship with your source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 and i suppose you could use the words "deep inside" to describe your relationship with your source? not that type of relationship.........but it seems to be a recurring theme with "ignorant" TBD posters such as <<insert your name here>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! okay i'm done now.... no wait.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!! there...... okay. carry on. .....not sure how to respond, so I won't!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 All I can say is...... I have a very close friend who was a college scout with the Bills. He has since moved on to another NFL team. He has been credited with drafting several outstanding prospects....that have led to the team's very recent resurgence and Super Bowl run!!! There are a few TBD mods that have confirmed source!! These Soprano-wannabe thread's are a waste of good electrons. If your close friend is no longer affiliated with the Bills, then it's likely he was part of the TD-era scouting staff...which didn't exactly cover itself in glory. So fess up, if Tom's your Deep Throat, let's hear it.... http://chargers.com/team/front_office/tom-...;modulePageId=7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 These Soprano-wannabe thread's are a waste of good electrons. If your close friend is no longer affiliated with the Bills, then it's likely he was part of the TD-era scouting staff...which didn't exactly cover itself in glory. So fess up, if Tom's your Deep Throat, let's hear it.... http://chargers.com/team/front_office/tom-...;modulePageId=7 In case you missed it, San Diego lost to New England and their run is over!!! However, it was a very nice try. My friend was actually hired by John Butler and stay in Buffalo. Also...most of Bills' current scouting department came over (let go) from Philadelpia Eagles and Modrakians!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 nice try, but wrong......he was actually hired by John Butler. Also...most of Bills' current scouting department came over (let go) from Philadelpia Eagles and Modrakians!!! Ok, here's the other candidate: http://chargers.com/team/front_office/mike...;modulePageId=7 What I want to know is how a guy like this would have any knowledge of the Peters situations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 Ok, here's the other candidate: http://chargers.com/team/front_office/mike...;modulePageId=7 What I want to know is how a guy like this would have any knowledge of the Peters situations? On the same track but still headed in the wrong direction...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 On the same track but still headed in the wrong direction...... Buddy Nix??? If it's Buddy, then I'll buy it. Nix is one the best scouts that ever worked at OBD, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 Buddy Nix??? If it's Buddy, then I'll buy it. Nix is one the best scouts that ever worked at OBD, IMO. Sorry.....FYI I am looking forward to watching my friend's team play this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Sorry.....FYI I am looking forward to watching my friend's team play this weekend. Why all this encryption? If you have actually have a friend, why not say my friend Bill with the Colts says.... ?? Are NFL scouts not supposed to have friends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Are NFL scouts not supposed to have friends? There's a difference between a "friend" and a "play date." One day he'll differentiate the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 There's a difference between a "friend" and a "play date." One day he'll differentiate the two. and now your officially off-topic and added to the long list of posters with a big red "L" tatooed on forehead!!! NEXT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Waiting only one year after a draft is almost always too early to make definitive statements about it. But thus far, the second day appears to have been very strong, while the first day is harder to judge. All we have to really go on is Whitner's play; which was reasonably good. Overall, I have a higher opinion of this draft than bluenews seems to. But I'll be the first to admit my opinion could change if McCargo and Youboty don't do anything, if Whitner never lives up to the 8th overall pick, and if the Keith Ellisons and Kyle Williams of the draft experience a drop-off in production. Brandon Spoon looked like a very solid late-round find early on, and where is he today? While things seem promising so far, it's far too soon to label this draft a success or failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 and now your officially off-topic and added to the long list of posters with a big red "L" tatooed on forehead!!!NEXT! So we DO have something in common after all. Listen, I reserve the right to bust the nuts of anyone dumb enough to start a thread calling for the firing of someone like Modrak when they absolutely, postively refuse to back up what they're saying, and instead make obscure comments and lead people off topic because they suddenly know a friend of a friend of a friend who may know someone who collects tickets at the gates of an NFL stadium somewhere. You're all piss and no vinegar so buck up, Skippy, and either substantiate yand support our comments and claims or just STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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