BoondckCL Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I'm going to do something about it. I'm going to start my own drunken mob that'll go around the lots and be nice to opposing fans. Let's see the out of town media latch on that story. I can see the headlines now... "Drunken Bills Fans Help Saintly Pats Fan Jump Start Car" 821591[/snapback] Hand out flowers too...oh and start a gay pile too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Of course I don't know what happened. That's why I, unlike JSP, have not jumped to conclusions. And why do they not believe they were attacked unprovoked. Every been to a Raider game wearing your Bills colors? I have and have been attacked unprovoked. 821221[/snapback] Yes. Last year... And had no problems at all... We even took the BART in to the game from South Frisco. A Raiders' fan did get right into the face of a 10 year old boy (we talked to them on the train back) wearing a Moulds' jersey... The guy just started screaming and yelling at the kid an inch from his face... You know what happened? Other Raiders' fans jumped the jagoff Raiders' fan... That is right, other Raiders' fans stood up for the Bills kid... They pummeled the dude and security hauled the idiot away. I have always been warned how rough this place or that place is... I never had remotely close to a problem... Sure there is some teasing going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Ya know what? I don't care. Whatether it's right or wrong you have to know better than to do that. It's like wearing a Klan outfit on the East Side. You SHOULD have the right to express yourself however you want, the reality is that you put yourself in danger by doing it. Of the 75,000 people at an event like that the liklihood of running into 20 to 30 drunken/angry and/or stupid people is very high and you should be aware of that before you do it. That stadium is the size of a small city on game day. You won't find a city of that size anywhere in the world that doesn't have a minority of angry, frustrated people who need little provocation for violence. It isn't right or ok that those people did that and they should be punished severely but you have to take some responsibility for yourself as a person and realize: a: you are tremendously outnumbered b: your team is probably going to win by many points c: this will anger and frustrate many people d: many of these people will have been drinking heavily Boston has no room to talk about this either. I challenge the person who wrote it to go to a Red Sox game dressed in Yankee gear. Anyone think he won't have a big problem? Especially if he mouths off to someone, even a little bit? This should not have happened, but it does happen and this guy didn't do anything to prevent it from happening to himself. I'm sure that some of you are annoyed right now because I'm suggesting that the Pats fan should have acted differently to protect himself. If this is the wrong way of thinking, why do you lock your car, or your house, or put your wallet in your front pocket when you're in a crowd, or avoid driving through a bad neighborhood at night even when you aren't doing anything wrong? Because you are taking responsibility for protecting yourself from the minority of people in a large group that will do you harm even though you didn't really do anything to deserve it. You PREVENT the problem which is what this guy could have done by choosing his outfit diffrently. 821247[/snapback] Exactly! That is why I have never had a prob in a visting stadium... I even still wear Bills garb. It is all about how you "carry" yourself too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Yes. Last year... And had no problems at all... We even took the BART in to the game from South Frisco. A Raiders' fan did get right into the face of a 10 year old boy (we talked to them on the train back) wearing a Moulds' jersey... The guy just started screaming and yelling at the kid an inch from his face... You know what happened? Other Raiders' fans jumped the jagoff Raiders' fan... That is right, other Raiders' fans stood up for the Bills kid... They pummeled the dude and security hauled the idiot away. I have always been warned how rough this place or that place is... I never had remotely close to a problem... Sure there is some teasing going on. 821618[/snapback] When I was 12, I went to the Bills-Steelers Playoff game in Three Rivers ('96). As I got up to leave sometime late in the 4th quarter, I had the distinct pleasure of having a 40-something member of the Steelers finest point in my face and tell me "That's right motherfcker, get the fck out of here!" There are @ssholes everywhere...too bad there was no "good" Steelers fan to whip his ass like in your story. Then I could have at least taken something good away from that disaster of a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 When I was 12, I went to the Bills-Steelers Playoff game in Three Rivers ('96). As I got up to leave sometime late in the 4th quarter, I had the distinct pleasure of having a 40-something member of the Steelers finest point in my face and tell me "That's right motherfcker, get the fck out of here!" There are @ssholes everywhere...too bad there was no "good" Steelers fan to whip his ass like in your story. Then I could have at least taken something good away from that disaster of a game. 821630[/snapback] I've seen both fights in and outside of the stadium. Bills fans are generally good people and i think threads like this are one's that tarnish our image and bring us to the level of other fans around the league. sh--, i've seen fights where it is Bills fan on Bills fan, but after is all said and done, they all sat down and enjoyed a nice brew together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I don't believe that it went down the way the so-called victim said it did. I think the truth, as always, lies somewhere in the middle. Having been to hundreds of Bills games and a tailgate veteran, I have a pretty good idea as to how it actually went down. I have never seen anyone get jumped or beat down for no reason. I have seen countless fights, all with some sort of provocation and it was always 1-1 or numbers on both sides. All of them were totally stupid and brought on by youth and drunkenness. Not a good combination. The way it probably went down was a drunk a-hole kid said something to the guy wearing the Red Sox Cap & Patriots jacket. Loudmouth Bostonian told the kid to shut the F up. Drunk kids jumped the guy and a fight ensued. Unexcusable behavior on the part of the drunk kids but no way was it unprovoked. That said, two things- ONE: that guy should know better than to say ANYTHING while alone and unarmed while wearing Patriots gear at RWS around a bunch of drunken morons. Would he do that at Yankee Stadium wearing his Red Sox cap? TWO: Keep the pregnant wife away from potential trouble. Go to the game but keep the Patriots stuff in the suitcase and keep quiet. Now, with all of that being said- It looks to me like they are looking for a big payday. No witnesses. No arrests. No security or cops around (BS- cops are all over the place after a game). It doesn't come out until 9 days after the game. He could have been anywhere, got drunk and broke his hands. Probably happened at his local bar a couple days ago. Wouldn't you think that he or his wife would have called 911 asap? Found a cop directing traffic or a security guard or gone to the administration office and reported what happened? Gone to a hospital? Filed a police report? Took pictures right away? They didn't have a cell phone? Not enough common sense to get to a phone right after they got out of there and call 911 and document what happened? Nobody saw anything going down and it wasn't on here in the last 9 days? No, they left town, saw a Jeffrey Freedman commercial and called a Boston newspaper 9 days later. It all smells really bad to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Read the article again... Who helped the Pats guy into the car?... Was it one of the Bills' fans in the "angry mob?" Sure sounds like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I don't believe that it went down the way the so-called victim said it did. I think the truth, as always, lies somewhere in the middle. Having been to hundreds of Bills games and a tailgate veteran, I have a pretty good idea as to how it actually went down. I have never seen anyone get jumped or beat down for no reason. I have seen countless fights, all with some sort of provocation and it was always 1-1 or numbers on both sides. All of them were totally stupid and brought on by youth and drunkenness. Not a good combination. The way it probably went down was a drunk a-hole kid said something to the guy wearing the Red Sox Cap & Patriots jacket. Loudmouth Bostonian told the kid to shut the F up. Drunk kids jumped the guy and a fight ensued. Unexcusable behavior on the part of the drunk kids but no way was it unprovoked. That said, two things- ONE: that guy should know better than to say ANYTHING while alone and unarmed while wearing Patriots gear at RWS around a bunch of drunken morons. Would he do that at Yankee Stadium wearing his Red Sox cap? TWO: Keep the pregnant wife away from potential trouble. Go to the game but keep the Patriots stuff in the suitcase and keep quiet. Now, with all of that being said- It looks to me like they are looking for a big payday. No witnesses. No arrests. No security or cops around (BS- cops are all over the place after a game). It doesn't come out until 9 days after the game. He could have been anywhere, got drunk and broke his hands. Probably happened at his local bar a couple days ago. Wouldn't you think that he or his wife would have called 911 asap? Found a cop directing traffic or a security guard or gone to the administration office and reported what happened? Gone to a hospital? Filed a police report? Took pictures right away? They didn't have a cell phone? Not enough common sense to get to a phone right after they got out of there and call 911 and document what happened? Nobody saw anything going down and it wasn't on here in the last 9 days? No, they left town, saw a Jeffrey Freedman commercial and called a Boston newspaper 9 days later. It all smells really bad to me. 821640[/snapback] I agree it does smell pretty fishy. But your opening statement almost lost me about youth and drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Good stuff That guy sounds like a real jag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 But your opening statement almost lost me about youth and drinking. 821642[/snapback] He made a generalization, but I'd say it's pretty fair. There are far more dumbass young people than dumbass old people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Far I Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Anyone who's been to a lot of games at Rich Stadium (hate naming it fter Wilson) has seen bad things going on. Sad but true. Have to agree with the comment that the article sounds like it was written by a sleazy lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 He made a generalization, but I'd say it's pretty fair. There are far more dumbass young people than dumbass old people. 821670[/snapback] True True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I'm going to do something about it. I'm going to start my own drunken mob that'll go around the lots and be nice to opposing fans. Let's see the out of town media latch on that story. I can see the headlines now... "Drunken Bills Fans Help Saintly Pats Fan Jump Start Car" 821591[/snapback] Now that looks more like a headline from The Onion then the Boston Herald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I have witnessed violence at all kinds of sporting events. This is hardly an exclusive "black eye" for Buffalo, and Bills fans, but, rather, a testament to how dangerous it can be to mix alcohol, crowds, and sports. I have been to football games (college and pro) in about 20 different stadiums (about 150 games) over the years, and I can't recall one, really, where there wasn't some sort of ugly incident. Not necessarily over the top violence like this, but arguments, throwing things.... Hell, I when I live in NYC, my girlfriend baught me tickets for a Celtics/Knicks game, for my birthday. I am a huge Celtics fan. I wore a green Celtics t-shirt to the game. We got there early, to watch Bird, McHale, etc warm up. It was a cold March day. The place was still filling up. I took my winter jacket off, exposing my Celtic green t-shirt, and I would say, within 10 minutes, my girlfriend had mustard in her hair, from a poorly aimed hot pretzel being hurled from behind...I had a bunch of stuff thrown at me during the game...the fact that the Celtics blew the Knicks out, only made it worse. I am not a particularly boisterous fan, I didn't do anything to deserve crap being hurled at me. Luckily, for me, there were reasonable people in our area too. Being indoors, the security was a little tighter, and a few people were ejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Why do I go? One, yearly family / friend tradition.....making the trek back to WNY.Second, I like to be reminded why I left WNY. And, not all stadiums mimick this. I have been to games (more than once in each spot) in Green Bay, San Diego, Indianapolis, and Tennessee and the atmosphere is markedly different than RWS. Not even remotely comparable. 821576[/snapback] I feel your pain. In fact, I am so moved by a few idiots getting into a fight that I am thinking to relocating to the midwest. I was thinking of looking at property in your fine state. I want to live, and watch football games in a community where violence doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I no longer go to Dolfelon games because of similar incidents. I have a litany of events but they are all just variations on a theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Wheels Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Alcohol and stupidity is a bad combination. I know people who won't go to Bills games anymore because they don't want to put up with the minority of drunken idiots. One thing I had to ask after reading this article is why did this guy think it was a good idea to bring his pregnant wife to an away game if she's as fragile as the article would have you believe? I'm not condoning what happened to them, but I have been to plenty of sporting events in Boston where I have been subjected to very nasty behavior because I was rooting for the visiting team. There are a-holes at every sporting event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Nice photo in front of the church. I'm not buying the innocent victim story. Something was said or done on his end to provoke this. 821096[/snapback] That mob should be lucky it wasn't you. After the first nasty look, you probably would have shot everyone (in the back, because that's how you are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I feel your pain. In fact, I am so moved by a few idiots getting into a fight that I am thinking to relocating to the midwest. I was thinking of looking at property in your fine state. I want to live, and watch football games in a community where violence doesn't exist. 821822[/snapback] Thanks for making an unrelated, and unfortunately, lame response. I especially like how you only highlight my negative response and omit the others. Nice. By the way, my Hoosier days are long gone. Yet, Gary is to Indiana as NYC is to NY state. It should be it's own state or at the least merge with Illinois. Anyway, back on point and to remind you: (a) conversation was on NFL games (b) I never said any of the other states do not have crime, only the other states' / cities NFL stadiums are not like RWS. © Basically, if the environment of RWS is reflective of the population to which the stadium exists, then WNY is in deep trouble. It would be curious to argue otherwise. Generalization? Somewhat, but remember Bill I was born and raised in WNY. I know what I left and what I come back to every year. Again, that is exactly why I left. Have you noticied the economy of WNY? The political climate? The converstations of Casino's vs No Casino's? - downtown or where ever? Speaking with some of my family and friends about those issues and others is downright depressing. I know why they don't move, some can't - others could. It is a love/hate thing I guess. The overall ethos of WNY is very characteristic and somwhat unique. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGTEleven Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 What gets me here is that the lawyers are going after the Bills organization. Call me paranioid if you want but that is what is really in play here. It is what makes this different than the usual brawl. Drunken morons beating up innocents (and/or opposing drunken morons) happens very often in every sporting venue in the US. That doesn't make it right, but it can't be denied. Now a Boston attorney is suing the Bills organization? The same Bills organization that is fighting the small market battle versus a leader of the big market (Kraft)? Right. No Boston attorney has sued the Patriots because of fights in their parking lot? There haven't been any fights in the Patriots parking lot? The Boston Herald is enlisted and calls Buffalo fans "New York fans"? LOL. These guys should try stopping at an eastbound Thruway rest area with a Bills jersey on after a NE game. Can I sue the Thruway system? I've seen enough Patriots fans at the Ralph to know that as a group they are looking for a fight. That doesn't mean this guy was or wasn't but the large group that busses in from Boston every year is generally loud, crass, drunk, and stupid. If the beating was as one sided as the church going Bostonian angel portrays then the Bills mob deserves stiff punishment. I find that possible but unlikely. I am sure there were plenty of outrageously obnoxious Pats fans roaming around. Why pick on one guy innocently using a port o john? If it was two sided then the church going angel should be punished as well. He should be able to sue them if he can prove it was one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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