Blue Chipper Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Just thinking out loud here how things could have been different had the Bills not traded their 1st round pick in 05 to get Losman at # 22 in 04. It makes you wonder what would have been different. We all know JP was hurt most of his 1st season and last yr he started and struggled for the most part. Who did we miss out on last year that could have contributed by not having a 1st round pick. Then TD proceeds to draft Parrish, a small but speedy wideout who can only play the slot and that position is occupied by Reed. Here we sit at #8 and one of the top three qbs will be sitting there. All of them will have the chance to start for the team that drafts them. JP is pretty much a rookie this yr too. We know very little about his abilities and he may not be our starter if the jouneyman Holcomb or the GBAY reject Nall beets him out. I have to think things could have been different and maybe better had we kept our 1st pick last season and not sent that away for JP the year before. I also question the Parrish pick because from what we are being told he will be fighting it out with Reed (the 4th overall pick in round 2 in 2002) for the slot position so who will be the number 2 guy opposite Evans? Hopefully this years draft with Levy running things or atleast having a say in things we will draft need positions like o-line and d-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfladave Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 What if Norwood hadn't missed wide right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risin Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 If we didn't draft JP, we wouldn't have our next franchise QB. (I'm trying to be optimistic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Just thinking out loud here how things could have been different had the Bills not traded their 1st round pick in 05 to get Losman at # 22 in 04. It makes you wonder what would have been different. We all know JP was hurt most of his 1st season and last yr he started and struggled for the most part. Who did we miss out on last year that could have contributed by not having a 1st round pick. Then TD proceeds to draft Parrish, a small but speedy wideout who can only play the slot and that position is occupied by Reed. Here we sit at #8 and one of the top three qbs will be sitting there. All of them will have the chance to start for the team that drafts them. JP is pretty much a rookie this yr too. We know very little about his abilities and he may not be our starter if the jouneyman Holcomb or the GBAY reject Nall beets him out. I have to think things could have been different and maybe better had we kept our 1st pick last season and not sent that away for JP the year before. I also question the Parrish pick because from what we are being told he will be fighting it out with Reed (the 4th overall pick in round 2 in 2002) for the slot position so who will be the number 2 guy opposite Evans? Hopefully this years draft with Levy running things or atleast having a say in things we will draft need positions like o-line and d-line. 655737[/snapback] Woulda. coulda, shoulda. If things had been done differently, guaranteed they would be different. One could certainly explore how things MIGHT have been different, but with so many future decisions to make its seems far more reasonable to spend time on hypotheticals about the future which may or may not be shown to have been accurate rather than invest in hypotheticals about what could have been that will not happen at all. There may be some utility to exploring what might have been done differently in the past as part of trying to assess blame (though even this hypothetical exercise is fairly meaningless unless one identifies past failures as part of learning lessons so we do not screw up the same way in the future. Hpwever, any hypothetical exploration of TDs mistakes should probably look at base problems like him making a fatal initial mistake in choosing to hire the not ready for primetime GW as HC rather than hiring Fox or sucking up to an convincing Marvin Lewis to come here as HC. Based on their records of achievement and GW's record of failure either of these two options would have been far better choices than GW and the whole sorry episodes of resigning and then cutting Bledsoe in favor of JP wouldn't have needed to be done the way they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Just thinking out loud here how things could have been different had the Bills not traded their 1st round pick in 05 to get Losman at # 22 in 04.655737[/snapback] I wonder what the Bills would have been like if they had hired a competent GM instead of TD. That man was a one-man wrecking ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrock6986 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 What if Norwood hadn't missed wide right? 655754[/snapback] Or if the Music City Miracle was called a forward lateral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 What if I didn't actually light my fart the other day? It was my epiphony. It's not soup...by no means...but now I understand. I'm going to go start a small pork roast, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 What if I didn't actually light my fart the other day? It was my epiphony. It's not soup...by no means...but now I understand. I'm going to go start a small pork roast, now. 655845[/snapback] what makes you fart ?? when you do fart and you are sitting in chair , do you turn around to smell the chair ??? you know , you may be a redneck . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 what makes you fart ?? when you do fart and you are sitting in chair , do you turn around to smell the chair ??? you know , you may be a redneck . 655879[/snapback] Only if no one is looking. Well, no - sometimes I want them to look so they know who is going to blame them for it. Pick the best looking girl in the place, because everyone knows good looking women never fart. And, if they have a real personality you can laugh about it with your new friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 If they didnt draft JP... We would have taken a player in ronud #2. Its nice to think that player could have been Bob Sanders or someone else good. But it could have also been a bust. Here are the 10 players selected after buffalos 2nd round pick 11-43 Dallas (from Buffalo) - Julius Jones, RB Notre Dame 12-44 Indianapolis (from Pittsburgh) - Bob Sanders, S Iowa 13-45 Oakland (from TB) - Jake Grove, C Virginia Tech 14-46 San Francisco - Justin Smiley, G Alabama 15-47 Chicago - Terry Johnson, DT Washington 16-48 Minnesota (from New Orleans) - Dontarrious Thomas, LB Auburn 17-49 Cincinnati - Keiwan Ratliff, CB Florida 18-50 New Orleans (from Minnesota) - Devery Henderson, WR LSU 19-51 Baltimore - Dwan Edwards, DT Oregon State 20-52 Dallas - Jacob Rogers, OT USC So, we could have had one of them.... Then last year, we would have taken Aaron Rogers. So.... JP Losman or Aaron Rogers and one of the above players... We didnt get ripped off too badly here. And I STILL think JP has a good chance of being a star. Much better than rogers anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 We probably would've drafted Aaron Rogers, and he would be starting for us this year ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 If they didnt draft JP...We would have taken a player in ronud #2. Its nice to think that player could have been Bob Sanders or someone else good. But it could have also been a bust. Here are the 10 players selected after buffalos 2nd round pick 11-43 Dallas (from Buffalo) - Julius Jones, RB Notre Dame 12-44 Indianapolis (from Pittsburgh) - Bob Sanders, S Iowa 13-45 Oakland (from TB) - Jake Grove, C Virginia Tech 14-46 San Francisco - Justin Smiley, G Alabama 15-47 Chicago - Terry Johnson, DT Washington 16-48 Minnesota (from New Orleans) - Dontarrious Thomas, LB Auburn 17-49 Cincinnati - Keiwan Ratliff, CB Florida 18-50 New Orleans (from Minnesota) - Devery Henderson, WR LSU 19-51 Baltimore - Dwan Edwards, DT Oregon State 20-52 Dallas - Jacob Rogers, OT USC So, we could have had one of them.... Then last year, we would have taken Aaron Rogers. So.... JP Losman or Aaron Rogers and one of the above players... We didnt get ripped off too badly here. And I STILL think JP has a good chance of being a star. Much better than rogers anyway. 655905[/snapback] Or if we didnt take JP we could've taken a linemen in rd 2 and Matt Schaub in rd 3, but like they say if what ifs and but's were beer and nuts. I wasn't a supporter of JP then or now but I'm still willing to be convinced otherwise. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 What if we didnt trade for JOhnson- they we get Tra Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Just thinking out loud here how things could have been different had the Bills not traded their 1st round pick in 05 to get Losman at # 22 in 04. 655737[/snapback] Dallas took Marcus Spears, DE, LSU with our pick, and he was a situational guy this year, although he played in every game. After that were two WR's, followed by Fabian Washington, a DB who played situationally for Oakland. The real intriguing part, is that there were also two QB's taken after that - Aaron Rodgers by Green Bay and Jason Campbell by Washington. Will Losman be any better than either of them? JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 However, any hypothetical exploration of TDs mistakes should probably look at base problems like him making a fatal initial mistake in choosing to hire the not ready for primetime GW as HC Or at the very least, the mistake of hiring the not-ready-for-primetime GW as HC, giving him a dilapidated roster for his first year, undermining his authority in the Larry Centers move, likely meddling with his Asst. Coaching staffs, and then torpedoing his "lame duck/put up or shut up" year by using our 1st Round Pick on a guy with a blow out knee. Or to put it short and sweet - hiring a not-ready-for-primetime guy, not having the patience to let him develop, and then replacing him with one of the most embarassing Head Coach's in Bills history. rather than hiring Fox or sucking up to an convincing Marvin Lewis to come here as HC. 655766[/snapback] Don't you mean "rather than hiring Charlie Weis"? JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 If they didnt draft JP...We would have taken a player in ronud #2. Its nice to think that player could have been Bob Sanders or someone else good. But it could have also been a bust. Here are the 10 players selected after buffalos 2nd round pick 11-43 Dallas (from Buffalo) - Julius Jones, RB Notre Dame 12-44 Indianapolis (from Pittsburgh) - Bob Sanders, S Iowa 13-45 Oakland (from TB) - Jake Grove, C Virginia Tech 14-46 San Francisco - Justin Smiley, G Alabama 15-47 Chicago - Terry Johnson, DT Washington 16-48 Minnesota (from New Orleans) - Dontarrious Thomas, LB Auburn 17-49 Cincinnati - Keiwan Ratliff, CB Florida 18-50 New Orleans (from Minnesota) - Devery Henderson, WR LSU 19-51 Baltimore - Dwan Edwards, DT Oregon State 20-52 Dallas - Jacob Rogers, OT USC So, we could have had one of them.... Then last year, we would have taken Aaron Rogers. So.... JP Losman or Aaron Rogers and one of the above players... We didnt get ripped off too badly here. And I STILL think JP has a good chance of being a star. Much better than rogers anyway. 655905[/snapback] That was a painful list to read. I haven't kept track of how Smiley or Grove have adapted to the NFL, but it sure would be nice to have a stronger interior OL. As for the Aaron Rogers/Losman debate, Rogers has apparently beaten out Nall, who in turn looks like he may beat out JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 DonnaHo might still be the GM at OBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 What if there was no goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Or if the Music City Miracle was called a forward lateral. 655836[/snapback] This one is even sicker....Because may be if we win this game, RJ does get confidence, WP doesn't get fired next year...and we might have had our QB for the next 5 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 This one is even sicker....Because may be if we win this game, RJ does get confidence, WP doesn't get fired next year...and we might have had our QBfor the next 5 years... 656563[/snapback] Isn't it interesting, looking back though, that after Gruden gave up on Johnson in Tampa, that was it for his NFL career. Wasn't he like only 31 or 32?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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