ganesh Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 I would be fine with Holcomb as our starter in 2006.He reminds me of the quarterback we could've used in 2004, someone who controls TOP, converts third downs, and takes high percentage passes. 603375[/snapback] Someone who cannot take you to the playoffs, because he cannot throw a pass beyond 5 yards. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 If a better quarterback falls into our laps between now and next season without wasting a draft choice or spending salary cap money...fine. However we have a lot more problems than quarterback that we should be spending our money and draft picks on this year. We don't solve our line problems it won't matter who is the quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 If a better quarterback falls into our laps between now and next season without wasting a draft choice or spending salary cap money...fine. However we have a lot more problems than quarterback that we should be spending our money and draft picks on this year. We don't solve our line problems it won't matter who is the quarterback. 603741[/snapback] Certainly you know that I do not advocate using lots of resources on another qb, but imo it might serve us well to draft a mid-round qb if they think that one looks good. If Matthews retires or is cut, the money would be the same or less, and we do have an extra 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Certainly you know that I do not advocate using lots of resources on another qb, but imo it might serve us well to draft a mid-round qb if they think that one looks good. If Matthews retires or is cut, the money would be the same or less, and we do have an extra 3rd. 603746[/snapback] I think we will probably get Ngata in the first, an O-Lineman in the second, and there will be some good tight ends and good O and D Linemen left in the third. A quarterback in the fourth? Maybe, but not a high priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 The thought of opening the 2006 season with holcomb under center made me throw up in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 I think we will probably get Ngata in the first, an O-Lineman in the second, and there will be some good tight ends and good O and D Linemen left in the third. A quarterback in the fourth? Maybe, but not a high priority. 603748[/snapback] My thoughts exactly. I can't see keeping Matthews when we could develop a kid in that spot who could possibly help us down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 I see the majority has spoken again and is displaying it's usual patience. They have generously declared a new deadline of Week 1, 2006 for JP to "make or break" his career. If he's not starting by then, he's a bust (still with 8 career starts)!!! This is really getting ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 If Holcomb is named starter over JP, I will consider it the Bills giving up on him and being a bust (and I am a supporter of JP for QB and that he only needs time to develop) I think this is just to please the veterans and fans so thatwhen next season starts, and the bills have JP as their QB they can say he was the better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 losman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 I see the majority has spoken again and is displaying it's usual patience. They have generously declared a new deadline of Week 1, 2006 for JP to "make or break" his career. If he's not starting by then, he's a bust (still with 8 career starts)!!! This is really getting ridiculous. 603756[/snapback] He is going into his third year. How many more years do you want to give him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 He is going into his third year. How many more years do you want to give him? 604112[/snapback] However many years it takes to get more than 8 career starts. Get him to 30 starts, then talk all you want about whether or not he is a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 He is going into his third year. How many more years do you want to give him? 604112[/snapback] Holcomb started ONE game in his first five years and only made 5 appearances. Cleveland must have been REALLY stupid to give him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Kelly Holcomb was the better QB last year by far. If he is brought back (which appears he is), he definitely deserves a shot at the job. So far, the biggest knock against Holcomb is that he doesn't throw deep. While he doesn't have a cannon, I think he completed a high percentage of deep throws. As for JP, I really hope he wins the job. He brings more physically to the table. But you just can't give someone a job. You have to earn it. And I think both QBs will benefit from better playcalling that utilize more downfield passing. But that's my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 However many years it takes to get more than 8 career starts. Get him to 30 starts, then talk all you want about whether or not he is a bust. 604122[/snapback] Holcomb is at 21 career starts right now, so let's give him nine more starts to see if he can be the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Losman, behind a less porous line. I'd make the decision early in camp, though, because I'd rather have Losman getting the snaps, working on his confidence, and getting the line used to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Holcomb started ONE game in his first five years and only made 5 appearances. Cleveland must have been REALLY stupid to give him a chance. 604126[/snapback] Was Cleveland paying him first round money? No. Did Cleveland use his presence on the roster to conclude the position of starting QB didn't need to be addressed? No. With Holcomb, the Browns were letting a guy linger on the roster, on the off chance he might amount to something. But the Bills have committed to making Losman the QB of the future, and are unlikely to seriously address the QB position while that commitment still exists. Since this is the case, Losman had better start showing something in his third year in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I said it before but since I am in the presence of crusaders I will say it again. Holcomb was brought here to be the back-up. He's been a back-up virtually his entire career. He plays like a very good back-up and has a lot of qualities you look for in a back-up. We paid him back-up money and announced him on the podium as the back-up. He practically bragged about being okay with being the back-up, showing a back-up's mentality. We practiced him like a back-up in the off season and he played like a back-up in pre-season. So we started him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Holcomb is at 21 career starts right now, so let's give him nine more starts to see if he can be the real deal. 604277[/snapback] Holcomb is a very capable backup in this league and has proven that. He seems to be able to hold things together if all else is going well, atleast for a couple games in a row. I don't personally think that he has shown progress in a number of years though, and I realize that's not all his fault. Also, his potential maximized would represent a much lower bar than would JP's potential maximized. If JP is still not ready after camp I am ok with Holcomb getting the nod until that time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I said it before but since I am in the presence of crusaders I will say it again. Holcomb was brought here to be the back-up. He's been a back-up virtually his entire career. He plays like a very good back-up and has a lot of qualities you look for in a back-up. We paid him back-up money and announced him on the podium as the back-up. He practically bragged about being okay with being the back-up, showing a back-up's mentality. We practiced him like a back-up in the off season and he played like a back-up in pre-season. So we started him. 604512[/snapback] What the Bills do at QB really depends on the mentality of the coaches. Frankly, I feel the Bills are a few years away from being a good team, so they shouldn't shy away from guys who might take 2 - 3 years to contribute such as Cutler. But if they're looking for more of a win-now situation (which is what the 87 year old owner seems to want), then you have to think Holcomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 What the Bills do at QB really depends on the mentality of the coaches. Frankly, I feel the Bills are a few years away from being a good team, so they shouldn't shy away from guys who might take 2 - 3 years to contribute such as Cutler. But if they're looking for more of a win-now situation (which is what the 87 year old owner seems to want), then you have to think Holcomb. 604525[/snapback] I'd rather go into '06 with Kelly H. behind the center of an improved O-line, and the pick you would use for Cutler starting on our D. I got no problems with Holcomb. I think Losman's got the physical tools to be a bigger offensive threat than Kelly, but if our D and STs improve we may be allowed the luxury of asking our QBs to manage games, rather than make plays to win them. Of course, there will be games where the outcome sits with our QB's ability to make a play or two. In Donahoe's defense, this is why he drafted Losman and released Bledsoe. He knew DB couldn't make those plays. He was gambling that JP could. The jury's still out on that one, and since I've never seen what KH can do when the chips are down, the jury's out on him too. We could do worse that having these two in camp fighting for the #1 spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts