Chalkie Gerzowski Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 What Swerski and SDS just said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Now I know you are reaching--the Bears hardly had coffers full of talent when DJ was there. Thanks for the thoughts. 579246[/snapback] The Bears actually had coffers of talent on the defensive side of the ball. On the offensive side of the ball, this Bills team looks a lot like the Bears teams that Jauron coached. A veteran QB who the vets like but who has little talent (Miller/Holcomb), a young, mobile, strong armed kid QB who everyone hates (McNown/Losman), an overrated RB who has little burst (A-Train/McGahee), one solid veteran at WR (Booker/Moulds), a speedster who runs poor routes and has questionable hands (White/Evans), no talent at TE, and a weak OL. Hell, the Bills even have two of the castoffs from the miserable Bears OL (Gandy/Villarial)! Jauron will probably be "comfortable" with those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 wow. talk about your fantasies. So, it is actually a GOOD thing that Dick Jauron was a miserable, hated failure everywhere he went because that makes him more like Bill Belichek? The only thing DJ has on his resume that got him hired was the word "Chicago" and the fact that Hall of Fame Coach Marvelous Marv Levy, your General Manager and man guiding the ship, used to watch him coach on the sidelines during the years he was begging to get back into the NFL (pleads that fell on deaf ears). That is truly outstanding.... It's great to see that people can look at a pile of crap and see an image of the messiah in the twist and turns simply because that pile of crap has an ancient friend who wants to be comfortable and busy in his last years on earth. 579254[/snapback] Wow, you're not usually right, but when you are....oh nelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I am very dissappointed with this hire, but it is nice to read (elsewhere) that Jauron's success has come in the form of stiffling, opportunity-captializing defenses and solid smash-mouth rushing attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 wow. talk about your fantasies. So, it is actually a GOOD thing that Dick Jauron was a miserable, hated failure everywhere he went because that makes him more like Bill Belichek? The only thing DJ has on his resume that got him hired was the word "Chicago" and the fact that Hall of Fame Coach Marvelous Marv Levy, your General Manager and man guiding the ship, used to watch him coach on the sidelines during the years he was begging to get back into the NFL (pleads that fell on deaf ears). That is truly outstanding.... It's great to see that people can look at a pile of crap and see an image of the messiah in the twist and turns simply because that pile of crap has an ancient friend who wants to be comfortable and busy in his last years on earth. 579254[/snapback] What do you really think about this move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I am very dissappointed with this hire, but it is nice to read (elsewhere) that Jauron's success has come in the form of stiffling, opportunity-captializing defenses and solid smash-mouth rushing attacks. 579281[/snapback] You mean the one season out of five in which his team did not have a losing season? Smash-mouth running? Err, kinda. I hope you love plays like the 3 yard WR screen, the TE screen, the 4 yard curl, the 2 yard up and in, and most importantly, the punt. These are all big staples of Dick Jauron offenses. Trust me, I watched it for five years in Chicago...it is maddening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagmago Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 The Buffalo Bills have been run like a fantasy team for the fans over the last five years. Lots of flash and good PR, but no character. Need to get the fans excited, trade for an over-the-hill Bledsoe and watch the fans come out like he's Jim Kelly. Need another shot of adreneline, sign an aging Lawyer Milloy in 2003. Fans hate Gregg Williams, fire him. Fans want a hot new QB, draft Losman. Fans sick of Bledsoe and want hot young QB, dump Bledsoe. And the fans lapped it up, selling out every game in 2005, while the team sunk to new depths. Now we have a new sheriff in town named Marv Levy, who has a very different approach. We are going to build this team right, from the bottom up with quality, character players. Not everyone will be from that lack of character institution--the University of Miami--we'll get some quality guys. We will build the lines-- so we can block and tackle. We will get the fundamentals right. Enter Dick Jauron. Certainly no flash there. But by every account a quality man who players will play for. Oh, and he went to Yale, so he's likely smart, and can learn from his mistakes. And he's high character, and a teacher. And he knows the value of a stout D-line. So what do many on this board want--run him out of town. Why, because we did not hire the flashier, instant gratification candidate in Mike Sherman. And truth be told as much as the fans say they hated TD at the end, they in fact miss his "give the fans what they want" approach, even if they don't know anything about building a winning business, much less a football team. All they know is that they want to make a big splash today, so the media will say nice things about us. I am tired of the TD approach. I am tired of the push for instant gratification. I want to see teams, like those when Levy coached, who know how to take a punch and get back up and fight some more. I want a team that beats Miami when the QB finds a way into the end zone on the last play, not one that loses on the last play. Levy knew character and quality before. I think he still does. And while Jauron may not be flashy, he has the brains and character that this team so desperately needs right now. 579193[/snapback] Dick Jauron=Greg Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 You mean the one season out of five in which his team did not have a losing season? Smash-mouth running? Err, kinda. I hope you love plays like the 3 yard WR screen, the TE screen, the 4 yard curl, the 2 yard up and in, and most importantly, the punt. These are all big staples of Dick Jauron offenses. Trust me, I watched it for five years in Chicago...it is maddening. 579292[/snapback] No, I don't like those plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoff Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 So let me get this straight, Jauron is a great coach he just has not win many games. If you look at Jauron’s five year record in Chicago and compare it to the five year won-loss record of the prior Bills administration they are remarkably close. Having spent much of the Jauron tenure in Chicago, I have to agree with Bill Swerski. Unless he has gone through some extraordinary transformation, he will be the same thing in Buffalo; a nice guy with an Ivy education who shouldn’t be a NFL head coach. Look I want Jauron to do great and the Bills to win the Super Bowl, but I can’t foresee that happening. If the past five years have taught the Bills fans anything it is denial and delusion are no way to run a football team. It’s unfortunate that Wilson and Levy have yet to learn that lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Not saying he is(who is?)--but DJ's record has been quoted even more times as sure proof of future failure. And you know he will be a failure how? Because Mike Sherman with Brett Favre beat Jauron with Jim Miller. Tell me you know something more than that to explain your certainty that DJ will be a failure. 579237[/snapback] Bills fans are VERY short of confidence right now, and many were looking for this hire to give them a vote of confidence in the organization. Dick Jauron wasn't a coach that fulfilled that requirement, because as you pointed out his record is poor, and Sherman’s was good. When you look at Jauron the wins aren’t as high as you would like them to be, but you also see an overall lack of talent on the teams he’s coached. His situation in Chicago was bad from the start with the organization being divided on his hiring. Management wasn’t his only problem either as the Bears never could find a decent QB and lacked talent threw out his tenure. What his teams did do was play hard, and one of them even went onto an improbable 13-3 record, earning him coach of the year. We all know he was canned and moved onto Detroit, the arm pit of the NFL world. In Detroit before he took over as interim coach the Lions secondary went threw consecutive seasons of being depleted by injury. I'm not talking about a couple starters either, I'm talking New England times two. Prior to that happening this year Jauron had them playing great D. As for his interim stint how could anybody be successful in the situation the Lions were in late in the year? That team is bad news from top to bottom, but I thought he still did a decent job. They played one of their best games of the year the final week in Pittsburgh, so they certainly showed improvement. Bottom line unless Jauron shows complete incompetence I'll give him two years and revaluate him again. Anything short of that and were being very unrealistic with the problems he's inheriting. Give the man a chance people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagmago Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 And you are the GM of what team? And are you a Bills' fan? You say you hate the hire and then say you would have hired Jim Caldwell, then say have fun Bills' fans because we are going to hate him? Yeah and bend but don't break schemes must be bad, we did so well with blitzing on every down this year...lol... 579242[/snapback] WHAT?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Third in Coach of the year voting the year he was FIRED by the Bears. 579250[/snapback] Wow. He went 7-9 that year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 The Bears actually had coffers of talent on the defensive side of the ball. On the offensive side of the ball, this Bills team looks a lot like the Bears teams that Jauron coached. A veteran QB who the vets like but who has little talent (Miller/Holcomb), a young, mobile, strong armed kid QB who everyone hates (McNown/Losman), an overrated RB who has little burst (A-Train/McGahee), one solid veteran at WR (Booker/Moulds), a speedster who runs poor routes and has questionable hands (White/Evans), no talent at TE, and a weak OL. Hell, the Bills even have two of the castoffs from the miserable Bears OL (Gandy/Villarial)! Jauron will probably be "comfortable" with those guys. 579271[/snapback] actually, they had two pro-bowl OL that year. Of course, it is not hard to look good when you play a JV schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Well, I lived in Chicago throughout the Dick Jauron era and I can most assuredly tell you that what you have described above has little in common with a Dick Jauron team. His teams were boring, unimaginative, undisciplined, and exceedingly boring to watch. His personality makes Mike Mularkey seem effervescent and effusive. Jauron stonewalls in press conferences, mumbles, and generally makes one wish your team had never hired him. The 13-3 season had very little to do with his coaching, it is referred to in Chciago as the "miracle year" due to the improbable series of events that lead to five wins. The offense was atrocious and the defense was overrated. They played a last place schedule and got lucky...much like this year's Bears team did. The rest of his teams were miserable failures and the players did not enjoy playing for him. His defenses specialized in the "bend but don't break" schemes that were proven ineffective in Jacksonville, Chicago, and Detroit. The day he was fired in Chciago was a great day. This guy is "ol' boys network" hire and I am thoroughly disappointed with Marv's first move. I'd rather the Bills had given a guy like Bobby April or Jim Caldwell a shot rather than this recycled bum. I don't know the reasns as to why Sherman was not hired, nor can I speculate, but Dick Jauron is the wrong hire. Have fun Bills fans, you're gonna f@cking hate Dick Jauron by Week 1 of the preseason. 579238[/snapback] Just quoted verbatim on WGR550....was that you Brad?? Although he left out the f@cking part for some reason? Im nervous about this hire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Just quoted verbatim on WGR550....was that you Brad?? Although he left out the f@cking part for some reason? Im nervous about this hire... 579330[/snapback] No, I emailed that to the guys in studio. They read it? That's surprising... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 No, I emailed that to the guys in studio. They read it? That's surprising... 579332[/snapback] That's better PR than FFToday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 wow. talk about your fantasies. So, it is actually a GOOD thing that Dick Jauron was a miserable, hated failure everywhere he went because that makes him more like Bill Belichek? The only thing DJ has on his resume that got him hired was the word "Chicago" and the fact that Hall of Fame Coach Marvelous Marv Levy, your General Manager and man guiding the ship, used to watch him coach on the sidelines during the years he was begging to get back into the NFL (pleads that fell on deaf ears). That is truly outstanding.... It's great to see that people can look at a pile of crap and see an image of the messiah in the twist and turns simply because that pile of crap has an ancient friend who wants to be comfortable and busy in his last years on earth. 579254[/snapback] Why are you so bitter? No one knows how a coach will turn out. Levy has a business plan. He wants an intelligent, high-character team. To that end he wants a coach who is of high character, a team first guy, who can teach. Levy thinks with these qualities he can build a successful team. By all accounts, DJ has the qualities Levy wants. I want to see how the plan works. I am tired of the old approach, that most certainly did not work. Moreover, any experienced coach will have failed somewhere--by definition. Haslett, Capers, Sherman--all fired. Were any of them coach of the year? DJ may be a bust, but I'm willing to see what happens because I finally think we have a sound plan in place by a man who knows football and is in the Hall of Fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Why are you so bitter? No one knows how a coach will turn out. Levy has a business plan. He wants an intelligent, high-character team. To that end he wants a coach who is of high character, a team first guy, who can teach. Levy thinks with these qualities he can build a successful team. By all accounts, DJ has the qualities Levy wants. I want to see how the plan works. I am tired of the old approach, that most certainly did not work. Moreover, any experienced coach will have failed somewhere--by definition. Haslett, Capers, Sherman--all fired. Were any of them coach of the year? DJ may be a bust, but I'm willing to see what happens because I finally think we have a sound plan in place by a man who knows football and is in the Hall of Fame. 579341[/snapback] Look Marv, you're entitled to your opinion and SDS is entitled to his. By the way, is it true that Ralphie's favorite luncheon is watercress and cucumber finger sandwiches with a mint-iced tea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 That's better PR than FFToday. 579335[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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