Debate Over: Drake Maye can’t hold Josh Allen’s jockstrap

[davefan66]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

This is hilarious and can tell you or the other poster never watched him played. Most of his " spectacular" plays he has made are off platform plays. Nothing designed...

 

And he should not be Josh Allen or any other QB in the NFL, he is only in his 2nd year..mind you this same 2nd year QB is in The MVP convo. This game doesn't disqualified him from it.

Saw a dude that played within the system first half. Yeah, made a few runs off script, but did enough to put up points.

 

Different guy 2nd half. Pressure threw him off and got him off his game.
 

Doesn’t mean he didn’t learn from today. Doesn’t mean he’s not a guy who will be a problem for years with us. Don’t think he’s a true MVP candidate.  Don’t believe he will ever be as good as Josh like he’s been anointed by the media.

[PatsFanNH]

3 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

If you didnt see the game, why are you even commenting on what happened?

 

Looking at stats only?

 

Seriously man, take a breather....Maye looked mediocre in this game.  Poyer should've picked off a pass, maybe a pick 6 before Tre interception. 

 

Maye was completely junk in 2nd half.  When New England had to overcome 35-31, they went 7 plays for 2 yards.  

 

And youre somehow commenting on the Bills D/this game?  New England shouldn't have even scored on 1st drive, but even without replay assist, NE scored just 7 points in 2nd half.

 

Sorry 7 points in 2nd half, isnt getting it done in playoffs...from your supposed young and blossoming QB

Again 31 points in a game wins a game 9 out of 10 times.. I’m sorry you’re so scared of Maye you try to discredit him. As to your point that still only be 1 INT and again I didn’t say he played great I said he didn’t play bad.. also see your D didn’t stop them at all the first half.. the difference in this game was the Pats got a FG at the end of the half instead of a TD… I know your scared but the Bills and Pats be fighting for years or until Allen or Maye decide they wanna go to a different team so enjoy the games and stop being so insecure you try knock down a 23 yr old kid who looks better than almost any other QB who played at his age in the NFL.. 

29 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Maye is/likely will be a very good quarterback in the NFL. 
 

Maye is not Allen, and will likely never come close to it. 

 

Both things can be true. 

IMO I think they will be different style QBs.. Brady was great as was Big Ben 2 different style QBs doesn’t make one mediocre or less… 

[Psautcsk]

27 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I think BOTH teams need be concerned about their Defense. I am hoping Williams coming back for the Jets game fixes the Pats Run D which was elite till he went down.. who was missing from the Bills for run D? Theirs looked awful.. Henderson ran wild and I loved the block/ get in the way by Maye that helped him  score the last TD that gave the Pats the lead with less than 4 minutes to go.. 

Oliver, Hoecht

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

Again 31 points in a game wins a game 9 out of 10 times.. I’m sorry you’re so scared of Maye you try to discredit him. As to your point that still only be 1 INT and again I didn’t say he played great I said he didn’t play bad.. also see your D didn’t stop them at all the first half.. the difference in this game was the Pats got a FG at the end of the half instead of a TD… I know your scared but the Bills and Pats be fighting for years or until Allen or Maye decide they wanna go to a different team so enjoy the games and stop being so insecure you try knock down a 23 yr old kid who looks better than almost any other QB who played at his age in the NFL.. 

Haha.  You're now resolving to horrible posts.  

 

You lost, didnt watch (how does a true gan not watch)?!  Go cry in your beer and move on

[Ghost_002!]

4 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Saw a dude that played within the system first half. Yeah, made a few runs off script, but did enough to put up points.

 

Different guy 2nd half. Pressure threw him off and got him off his game.
 

Doesn’t mean he didn’t learn from today. Doesn’t mean he’s not a guy who will be a problem for years with us. Don’t think he’s a true MVP candidate.  Don’t believe he will ever be as good as Josh like he’s been anointed by the media.

 

 

He is in his second year..do you remember Josh Allen 2nd year? I sure do. He was in nobody's MVP convo and his first playoff game. They had him running more than he was passing because he was still wild with his accuracy 

 

 

And that "system qb" term is so crazy. All QBs run a system..but goods ones also make plays on their own.

Edited 2 hours ago by Ghost_002!

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, SunDSolar said:

Maye looked like a deer in headlights as soon as the bills started blitzing 

That’s because the line wasn’t doing a great job and no one could get open

[HappyDays]

Just now, MasterStrategist said:

And so was Washington this offseason.  Never a guarantee.  Your best bet, for NE fans, is Maye becomes elite. 

 

He isnt yet, and so many 2nd year jumps for QBs that then regress.  Its not a sure thing, until Maye proves he can take another big leap

 

Sure I'm not writing any checks on his career yet. I think his overall command of the offense is legit and his playmaking ability is real as we saw in our first matchup especially. Let's also be fair that he doesn't exactly have a team of superstars around him. Late stage Diggs and Boutte in his breakout year is a decent set of top 2 WRs but nothing to write home about. They need to add a legit #1 WR to get a real sense of Maye's ceiling. Of course he could suddenly regress to a middle of the pack QB. When I watch him though there is something about him that feels consistent and repeatable.

[BRH]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

That’s because the line wasn’t doing a great job and no one could get open

 

Poor Drake

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:

Haha.  You're now resolving to horrible posts.  

 

You lost, didnt watch (how does a true gan not watch)?!  Go cry in your beer and move on

You are a terrible fan.. I asked the question instead of answering it you insult me then when I respond back showing how your ignorance is you again go back to insults.. must be hard being scared because of a silly football team like you are.

Just now, BRH said:

 

Poor Drake

Nah it happens it’s a learning opportunity for him! You learn more from failure than success 

[MasterStrategist]

4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

You are a terrible fan.. I asked the question instead of answering it you insult me then when I respond back showing how your ignorance is you again go back to insults.. must be hard being scared because of a silly football team like you are.

Nah it happens it’s a learning opportunity for him! You learn more from failure than success 

Again, Im not scared of Maye.  Its not insults, am I not stating facts that you didnt watch your team play today?

 

I already told you Maye has hit his ceiling IMO, and a tier 2 QB, how is that insulting in any way?

 

Seems you are misreading or skipping my posts.  Read up please.  You also didnt watch the game...so again I ask what are you even commenting on. the boxscore?

 

edit: somehow im the terrible fan, yet you didnt even watch?  Please explain this

Edited 2 hours ago by MasterStrategist

[davefan66]

2 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

He is in his second year..do you remember Josh Allen 2nd year? I sure do. He was in nobody's MVP convo and his first playoff game. They had him running more than he was passing because he was still wild with his accuracy 

 

 

And that "system qb" term is so crazy. All QBs run a system..but goods ones always make plays on their own.

Aikman was a system QB, surrounded by a bunch of great players. Did well though.  Don’t beleive he would have been that good on another team. 

 

Maye is good and will be good. Doesn’t have Josh’s arm strength, speed or the “it” that makes Josh be Josh. Josh is a beast, always was. Took time to hone the beast, but he had it. Showed he had it in the Vikings leap the defender game. Showed it a bunch his first two seasons.

 

 

[Playoffs?]

7 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Again 31 points in a game wins a game 9 out of 10 times.. I’m sorry you’re so scared of Maye you try to discredit him. As to your point that still only be 1 INT and again I didn’t say he played great I said he didn’t play bad.. also see your D didn’t stop them at all the first half.. the difference in this game was the Pats got a FG at the end of the half instead of a TD… I know your scared but the Bills and Pats be fighting for years or until Allen or Maye decide they wanna go to a different team so enjoy the games and stop being so insecure you try knock down a 23 yr old kid who looks better than almost any other QB who played at his age in the NFL.. 

IMO I think they will be different style QBs.. Brady was great as was Big Ben 2 different style QBs doesn’t make one mediocre or less… 

Fine.. Brady and Big Ben were great. Brady was the greatest ever.  Big Ben never came close to Brady’s accomplishments. Just as Maye will likely not come close to Allen’s.  Allen is great.  I’m not ready to call Maye great… but time will tell. 

[Ghost_002!]

3 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Aikman was a system QB, surrounded by a bunch of great players. Did well though.  Don’t beleive he would have been that good on another team. 

 

Maye is good and will be good. Doesn’t have Josh’s arm strength, speed or the “it” that makes Josh be Josh. Josh is a beast, always was. Took time to hone the beast, but he had it. Showed he had it in the Vikings leap the defender game. Showed it a bunch his first two seasons.

 

 

 

 

Ha ha you don't watch him play at all!

 

Did you see him run today. He was step for step with his running back..he ran for 2 TDs...he has a big arm. Throws one of the most accurate bombs in the NFL. Ha ha

 

If there is a QB you would compare him to, it would be Josh Allen..given his size, ability to run and throw. Man you don't watch.

Edited 2 hours ago by Ghost_002!

[BRH]

5 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Nah it happens it’s a learning opportunity for him! You learn more from failure than success 

 

You learn from playing the best opponents at their best, which he hasn’t had to do much of this year.  That’s not his fault.  But we saw today that he has a ways to go before he can be considered elite.

[davefan66]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Ha ha you don't watch him play at all!

 

Did you see him run today. He was step for step was his running back..he ran for 2 TDs...he has a big arm. Throws one of the most accurate bombs in the NFL. Ha ha

 

If there is a QB you would compare him to you would compare him to Josh Allen..given his size, ability to run and throw. Man you don't watch.

So, you think he’s as good, or better then Josh from what you are saying??

 

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

Wilted when the game was in the line.  Enough said.

[Playoffs?]

1 minute ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Ha ha you don't watch him play at all!

 

Did you see him run today. He was step for step was his running back..he ran for 2 TDs...he has a big arm. Throws one of the most accurate bombs in the NFL. Ha ha

 

If there is a QB you would compare him to you would compare him to Josh Allen..given his size, ability to run and throw. Man you don't watch.

I’d compare his upside to Herbert before Allen. Allen has an ‘it’ factor that others do not.  Time will tell for Maye. 

[Ghost_002!]

1 minute ago, BRH said:

 

You learn from playing the best opponents at their best, which he hasn’t had to do much of this year.  That’s not his fault.  But we saw today that he has a ways to go before he can be considered elite.

 

 

You learn from playing in the NFL, period. You don't win 10 plus games just like that. This is such a weak argument. Even more hilarious that it doesn't get brought up in years past since it's the normal in the NFL. But funny it's talked about now.

[todd]

4 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Ha ha you don't watch him play at all!

 

Did you see him run today. He was step for step with his running back..he ran for 2 TDs...he has a big arm. Throws one of the most accurate bombs in the NFL. Ha ha

 

If there is a QB you would compare him to, it would be Josh Allen..given his size, ability to run and throw. Man you don't watch.

Ok. Compare him to Josh. Josh is better, and it is t even close.

[Ghost_002!]

1 minute ago, davefan66 said:

So, you think he’s as good, or better then Josh from what you are saying??

 

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

Wilted when the game was in the line.  Enough said.

 

 

Can you read? Where do u see me saying a sec year QB is better than the current MVP in the league..ha ha

 

Like wow..it's like u want to assume so bad.

 

Cause the dude wears a NE uniform you can't see what his future will more likely look like.

 

[Einstein]